Comments Thread For: Goossen: Fury Learned New Game In One Camp; Why Can't Wilder Learn To Fight Inside?

[Ant1979]

What is the point of padding a record? What is the point of being a hypejob?


Crazy thought; for money maybe?

Yeah, money and status (of still being champion). That's why I wrote if it was 'all' about the money he would have signed to fight AJ. He would have made a tonne more money fighting AJ but he didn't want to take the risk posed of losing his status. Otherwise he would have signed.

Yeah there's complications but when there's that amount of money in the pot and 2 fighters want it, they get made. Look at Lewis vs Tyson, Mayweather vs Pacquiao or Bellew vs Cleverley (joking).

[2ndroundko]

Fury's inside game has always been what separated him from the rest to me and I've probably sounding like a kook for many years trying to explain that - I'm pretty sure Goosen must know this wasn't just something he picked up. And I'm not saying he's James Toney on the inside just that he was more adept than the other prospects at the time AJ and Wilder. He knows his way around.

Like someone else said, it reappeared in the Wallin fight. It was there after the Cunningham knockdown. I thought I first saw some of the inside game against McDermott I. How he fought in those sequences was exactly how I hoped he would fight Wilder and I know there were others thinking the same. Everyone except maybe Ben Davidson, even though he knows Wilder really well.

I believe that he was let go because he respected Wilder's weaknesses too much instead of attacking them.

Fury has outclassed Wilder is two different ways now, the only place where they haven't fought extensively is midrange. I do think tht is where Fury can be attacked

he’s a natural fighter. a complete fighter — can box on the outside and can fight on the inside. not to mention he’s athletic, has heart and grit.

i also believe his power has always been underrated. no he’s not mike tyson but like ali, when he sits on his punches, he will hurt you. simply put, a special fighter in his prime.

[factsarenice]

Fury has two good wins, a paper thin resume and was caught using Nandrolone.

Lets not get too crazy...

Fury has shown many different styles of fighting through his career

He can fight in both stances

He is extremely versatile & can adapt to any situation

and he is the biggest HW by miles at 6'8" 270 pounds

he is unbeatable

You can't outbox him and you can't outfight him.

Against these DUMB heavyweights like Whyte, Joshua & Wilder they don't have A CHANCE

[Marchegiano]

Yeah, money and status (of still being champion). That's why I wrote if it was 'all' about the money he would have signed to fight AJ. He would have made a tonne more money fighting AJ but he didn't want to take the risk posed of losing his status. Otherwise he would have signed.

Yeah there's complications but when there's that amount of money in the pot and 2 fighters want it, they get made. Look at Lewis vs Tyson, Mayweather vs Pacquiao or Bellew vs Cleverley (joking).

I disagree a bit, but, I don't think that's a bad assessment pre-se, fair enough I reckon.

I think this though, if Wilder didn't actually believe he can win and was trying to maximize his money in the deal then getting Fury and the whole lineal promotional bull under his belt would get him there. Fat and rusty Fury is more like a cherrypick to get that Joshua money.

Of course I'm actually a fan. I think Wilder does believe in himself, probably too much, but I do take him for authentic actually. I'm just saying if I were to take him as a money seeking hypejob Fury fits in as a stepping stone to Joshua's money.

I mean, that end of it did work. Hearn did say if Wilder beats Fury he'll offer Wilder a better deal. He got his ass kicked though so now I assume Fury's going to get that deal.

Anyway, my point is if he really gave no ****s about money he'd've taken the 'slave contract'. I reckon he was trying to get more money out of Josh by fighting Fury.

It only makes sense to take the Josh fight if he thinks he's going to lose either way. If he sees Fury as easy and Josh as the problem then of course he fights Fury to get paid better by Josh.

[Ant1979]

I disagree a bit, but, I don't think that's a bad assessment pre-se, fair enough I reckon.

I think this though, if Wilder didn't actually believe he can win and was trying to maximize his money in the deal then getting Fury and the whole lineal promotional bull under his belt would get him there. Fat and rusty Fury is more like a cherrypick to get that Joshua money.

Of course I'm actually a fan. I think Wilder does believe in himself, probably too much, but I do take him for authentic actually. I'm just saying if I were to take him as a money seeking hypejob Fury fits in as a stepping stone to Joshua's money.

I mean, that end of it did work. Hearn did say if Wilder beats Fury he'll offer Wilder a better deal. He got his ass kicked though so now I assume Fury's going to get that deal.

Anyway, my point is if he really gave no ****s about money he'd've taken the 'slave contract'. I reckon he was trying to get more money out of Josh by fighting Fury.

It only makes sense to take the Josh fight if he thinks he's going to lose either way. If he sees Fury as easy and Josh as the problem then of course he fights Fury to get paid better by Josh.

Fair play, I can see how a Fury win would strengthen his hand at the negotiating table with Joshua and give him some additional prep and momentum too. Who knows what was really going on in his head?

Personally I think if he'd have really fancied it, I think he would have eventually got a great deal but I suppose we'll only find out if Wilder wins the trilogy fight and Joshua beats Pulev.

[theface07]

American dad is amazing lol... The child in me love that show, more than Family guy doe.

It's pretty obvious that we wouldn't get on at all in person. I've disagreed with virtually everything you've said lately. It's all good though, to each his own. There's a reason why there is diversity in thought within the human species.

[theface07]

If you ever get a chance, check out McFarlanes music on line. It's all instrumentals, no vocals. I believe he may have scored a few movies. By all measurements, all, an absolutely brilliant piece of work. Weird as hell but most geniuses are.

You're calling McFarlane a genius? Yeah right. Any clown with money can buy a load of expensive sound equipment, engineers and producers to make themselves sound great. If he was such a genius, why did he have to start regurgitating old jokes on Family Guy after like 2 seasons??

The Simpsons is garbage now but in its prime, which was like ten years or more, they produced classic lines, characters, stories and soundtracks time and time again, far superior to anything McFarlane has ever done.
He had a few good ideas, that's it and kept beating a dead horse season after season. Out of desperation, he created not one, but two spin offs which were even less original than Family Guy.
You have a very low standard for who should be considered a creative genius. The creators of Looney Tunes were creative geniuses. Jim Henson was a creative genius. Matt Groening was a creative genius. Seth McFarlane is an opportunist hack whose cartoons will not be remembered in the annals of cartoon TV.

[deathofaclown]

The Problem is a lot of guys have only seen Fury in few fights but if they followed his career for a while, they would know he can fight in all sorts of ways, so it’s not like he’s learning a new skill, he is just focusing on strategy using skills he basically already has, And just polishing them up to carry out a game plan.


Wilder on the other hand doesn’t have the foundation of those required skills, so pretty it’s much impossible at 35 to learn it from the ground up to compete with a top level fighter who is far superior in every department except power.

[theface07]

Why u care what I watch? Stfu punk!

Bahahaha. Triggered much? Go back to watching your wack arse cartoon bro. I don't think you have the intellectual capacity to handle anything that doesn't appeal to the lowest common denominator in society.

Even when I was in high school I knew how much of an unoriginal ripoff artist McFarlane was.