Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Hits Back at Mayweather: He's Envious Because He's Retired!

[Pacquiaotard86]

Boxing for the love of your nation and people, and for the glory that boxing can bestow is a honor Pacquiao is revered for. Boxing for money will only get you so far in this historic sport.

[BodyBagz]

Good lord this is a delusional topic

Pac misses even when punches aren't being thrown

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

...as long as these young lions don't actually listen to Floyd. But what if they do? What if guys like Mikey stop chasing Manny? What if Manny struggles to get fights because the young lions won't chase old Manny? What if he has to retire without ever defending the WBA strap?

Surely that's got to be on Manny's mind. It's like Hulk Hogan exposing the wrestling business which cost a lot of people a lot of money; Manny might be afraid that Floyd will expose the boxing business (chase the old cash cow because you just want to get paid instead of fighting a young threat for less money) and cost him (Manny) money he would have made otherwise.

$$$ is king!!

[davefromvancouv]

It was NOT that he didn't want to do VADA testing. He didn't want Floyd dictating the terms of the testing. He was under the impression that Floyd was gonna say when he had to be tested and thought he would try to have him draw blood too close to fight night in an attempt to weaken him. And at the time Floyd did flex his muscle and implied that he wanted to be in charge of Manny's testing, which obviously nobody would go for. In 2011 when Manny caved on the testing, it became "Manny needs money, he owes taxes, I'm my own boss, Manny needs to leave Top Rank, I won't do business with Bob Arum"

As a fan who was fully aware and engaged back when all this was unfolding, I hate when people try to rewrite what happened or continue to push false narratives whether they know it or not.

The fight didn't get made when it should have because both sides were too busy having a pissing match. There was a TON of ego involved between Floyd, Bob, & Manny. Bob & Floyds bad blood was at its peak during that time. Neither of them wanted to truly make that fight because neither wanted to make the other any money.

Floyd constantly flipped flopped on his demands, made offers he knew Bob/Manny would reject & made it clear that it was gonna be his way or no way. All the irrelevant sh-t about being his own boss, and mannys taxes it was all nonsense lol.

Bobs dumb crap about building a new stadium and lying to the public about talks with Floyd that never happened.

There was also the risk reward factor for BOTH sides. A loss for either guy at the peak of interest in that fight (2009-2010) Floyd feared the risk of losing his O & Bob feared for the future of his cash cow had he lost.

You can literally write an essay on why that fight didn't happen at the right time. Just don't get your info from a Floyd or Manny groupie.

Do you have any sources for this? Because I was following it very closely as well. Mayweather offered $40 million, but insisted on VADA testing. Pacquiao wanted nothing to do with needles and suggested being monitored instead. ShoulderRoll said Mayweather agreed to a 50/50 split, but I never read that. Ultimately, from my recollection, it came down to VADA testing which Mayweather had no control over. Mayweather fought Mosely instead and it was the first major fight with VADA testing.

I blame Pacquiao for the fight not happening, I think he would have beaten Mayweather in a very competitive fight and I believe they would have become even better fighters if they had fought at this time. Just like Wilder and Fury fighting each other now, in their primes, instead of fighting past their peaks.

[ShoulderRoll]

Do you have any sources for this? Because I was following it very closely as well. Mayweather offered $40 million, but insisted on VADA testing. Pacquiao wanted nothing to do with needles and suggested being monitored instead. ShoulderRoll said Mayweather agreed to a 50/50 split, but I never read that. Ultimately, from my recollection, it came down to VADA testing which Mayweather had no control over. Mayweather fought Mosely instead and it was the first major fight with VADA testing.

I blame Pacquiao for the fight not happening, I think he would have beaten Mayweather in a very competitive fight and I believe they would have become even better fighters if they had fought at this time. Just like Wilder and Fury fighting each other now, in their primes, instead of fighting past their peaks.

Floyd was asking for USADA testing. VADA came around much later.



"A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010.
The eight-page agreement is so detailed that it indicates which of the two fighters would step onto the scale first at the weigh-in (Pacquiao), who would walk to the ring first (Pacquiao), who would be introduced first (Mayweather) and who had first choice of the locker room (Mayweather)...

Pacquiao's side declined the 2009 contract offer because Pacquiao objected to Mayweather's request for the drug testing."

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--floyd-mayweather-and-manny-pacquiao-nearly-agreed-to-a-2010-fight.html

[davefromvancouv]

Floyd was asking for USADA testing. VADA came around much later.



"A contract sent on Dec. 11, 2009, by Golden Boy Promotions on behalf of Mayweather to Top Rank on behalf of Pacquiao proposed a 50-50 financial split between the sides for a fight that would have been held March 13, 2010.
The eight-page agreement is so detailed that it indicates which of the two fighters would step onto the scale first at the weigh-in (Pacquiao), who would walk to the ring first (Pacquiao), who would be introduced first (Mayweather) and who had first choice of the locker room (Mayweather)...

Pacquiao's side declined the 2009 contract offer because Pacquiao objected to Mayweather's request for the drug testing."

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing...010-fight.html

Fantastic. Thanks.

[Bronx23]

Do you have any sources for this? Because I was following it very closely as well. Mayweather offered $40 million, but insisted on VADA testing. Pacquiao wanted nothing to do with needles and suggested being monitored instead. ShoulderRoll said Mayweather agreed to a 50/50 split, but I never read that. Ultimately, from my recollection, it came down to VADA testing which Mayweather had no control over. Mayweather fought Mosely instead and it was the first major fight with VADA testing.

I blame Pacquiao for the fight not happening, I think he would have beaten Mayweather in a very competitive fight and I believe they would have become even better fighters if they had fought at this time. Just like Wilder and Fury fighting each other now, in their primes, instead of fighting past their peaks.

I mean the info is out there. It was 10-11 years ago so to be honest I don't care to go searching. I just remember what happened. Like the other guy said, Floyd demanded USADA testing and I think at the time he was the only one doing it with them. Shortly after he was calling for USADA have control over all of boxing's testing, he kept pushing that he was trying to "clean up the sport", inadvertently throwing shots at VADA for whatever reason. Manny and pretty much everyone else was enrolled in VADA. Like I said in my previous post I remember Manny rejecting the testing over fear that Floyd would dictate when he'd be tested.

Later on Bob came up with some crap that Manny was afraid of needles, even though Manny had been tested before and had tattoos. A claim Manny himself had never made.

In 2010 or 11 they had come to terms on the testing but then there was the flat fee offer, Floyd telling Manny he had to leave TR Bob wanting a new stadium etc.

As far as who woulda won. I think Manny woulda lost a close controversial decision. I think Floyd would have fought the same way he did in 2015 but probably woulda been slightly more elusive.

2009 Manny had not yet fought Margarito or been brutally knocked out. Two things that completely changed him and took him out of his prime. If it weren't for those two fights. I believe Manny would have stayed in his prime much longer than he did