Comments Thread For: Hearn: Criticism Of Golovkin For Not Wanting To Fight Canelo Next 'Unfair'

[Senor_frogs]

It wasn’t the same offer, it was 95% of the offer to fight someone who isn’t a crossover superstar. The GGG offer made it clear that Canelo’s offer was awful.

Vacating the title to avoid a mandatory and being stripped for not fighting a mandatory is the same thing.

I interchangeably use Canelo and Canelo’s team. Canelo’s team didn’t come to a middle ground and Canelo was furious when he found out. I will gladly provide the links if you want. You’re pretending like GBP did everything right and Canelo doesn’t even feel that way.

Who am I a fan boy of? Because we all know who you’re a fan boy of.

Fanboy. I bring you facts not feelings. You keep saying Canelo ducked and vacated. Then in the same breath you admit Golden Boy was at fault. Which they are. You seem to know this fact yet you keep contradicting yourself by saying Alvarez vacated. So yes you are a fanboy. You’re the definition of a fanboy. Your fanboying for Sergy. Because you bring nothing but feelings to the table. Again leave you’re feelings out of this Fanboy

[ShaneMosleySr]

So it’s all on Al Haymon, not Golden Boy Promotions. Got it.

You don't understand... read it carefully. I said your comments PROVE why WE on the forum know the nature of purse bids, particularly when comparing stars to the bottom feeders. Bottom feeders meaning matches that have no dramatical negotiations regardings A side vs B side.

Let's take your avatar for example, back when Bowe vs Lewis came about, what were the industry narratives from writers or the fighters themselves talking about splits? Fan forums didn't exist back then... Bowe vs Lewis isn't even remotely close to Canelo vs Derevyanchenko as far as fans understanding purse splits.

You can act naive, but you know Haymon pulls the strings regarding splits. With GBP, Haymon has no power, so he prefers to price himself out for the benefit of his ego, not the best interest of the boxer. Sergey could've taken the cash and ATTEMPTED to beat Canelo. The fact that we are arguing a difference from the Canelo purse to a GGG purse is ******... Just like Haymon knowing the WBC would mandate a Canelo vs Charlo fight, don't you think it's rather practical for Haymon to simply milk out and waste time with GBP?

GBP wouldn't bother with that. Instead the WBC, knowing that GBP would vacate a title instead of going to purse bid with Al Haymon, decided to keep itself branded around Canelo and gave him Franchise Champ. It's rather obvious.

[ShaneMosleySr]

I totally understand why Canelo Alvarez didn’t fight Sergey Derevyanchenko.

If I was his promoter, I would have wanted my fighter to fight Kovalev instead Derevyanchenko as well.

There’s nothing good that could come from a fight with Derevyanchenko and anything bad that could have happened against Kovalev would be excused away with the size difference.

So I don’t care that Canelo didn’t fight Derevyanchenko.

I’m just pointing out how hilarious and hypocritical Canelo fans are.

GGG is still crucified for ducking Derevyanchenko and fighting Alaverez instead (which he shouldn’t be crucified for) when the GGG-SD fight happened a fight removed from the Canelo Alaverez rematch.

Alaverez is then completely excused for vacating the exact same title against the exact same mandatory opponent.

The excuses for him are hilarious. We’re going to pretend Derevyanchenko didn’t want to fight Alavrez.

So why don’t we just admit that GGG and Canelo both fight the best competition available and can’t really be chastised for ducking. If we’re going to complain that they’ve ducked someone, they‘be both “ducked“ the exact same opponents, like Derevyanchenko, Andrade and Charlo.

Fanboy. I bring you facts not feelings. You keep saying Canelo ducked and vacated. Then in the same breath you admit Golden Boy was at fault. Which they are. You seem to know this fact yet you keep contradicting yourself by saying Alvarez vacated. So yes you are a fanboy. You’re the definition of a fanboy. Your fanboying for Sergy. Because you bring nothing but feelings to the table. Again leave you’re feelings out of this Fanboy

[Thuglife Nelo]

So it’s all on Al Haymon, not Golden Boy Promotions. Got it.

What would be GBP's fault?

[Thuglife Nelo]

I totally understand why Canelo Alvarez didn’t fight Sergey Derevyanchenko.

If I was his promoter, I would have wanted my fighter to fight Kovalev instead Derevyanchenko as well.

There’s nothing good that could come from a fight with Derevyanchenko and anything bad that could have happened against Kovalev would be excused away with the size difference.

So I don’t care that Canelo didn’t fight Derevyanchenko.

I’m just pointing out how hilarious and hypocritical Canelo fans are.

GGG is still crucified for ducking Derevyanchenko and fighting Alaverez instead (which he shouldn’t be crucified for) when the GGG-SD fight happened a fight removed from the Canelo Alaverez rematch.

Alaverez is then completely excused for vacating the exact same title against the exact same mandatory opponent.

The excuses for him are hilarious. We’re going to pretend Derevyanchenko didn’t want to fight Alavrez.

So why don’t we just admit that GGG and Canelo both fight the best competition available and can’t really be chastised for ducking. If we’re going to complain that they’ve ducked someone, they‘be both “ducked“ the exact same opponents, like Derevyanchenko, Andrade and Charlo.

No. Negotiations revolve around money. Be specific with your assessment. Which fight is financially better, Kovalev or Derevyanchenko? On top of that, what's better, to defend while the fighter you're giving an offer doesn't accept, OR go for the LHW title as its better on your resume?

Try and convince to fans, what's a better win on Canelo's resume, the Devry or Kovalev fight.

[Senor_frogs]

I totally understand why Canelo Alvarez didn’t fight Sergey Derevyanchenko.

If I was his promoter, I would have wanted my fighter to fight Kovalev instead Derevyanchenko as well.

There’s nothing good that could come from a fight with Derevyanchenko and anything bad that could have happened against Kovalev would be excused away with the size difference.

So I don’t care that Canelo didn’t fight Derevyanchenko.

I’m just pointing out how hilarious and hypocritical Canelo fans are.

GGG is still crucified for ducking Derevyanchenko and fighting Alaverez instead (which he shouldn’t be crucified for) when the GGG-SD fight happened a fight removed from the Canelo Alaverez rematch.

Alaverez is then completely excused for vacating the exact same title against the exact same mandatory opponent.

The excuses for him are hilarious. We’re going to pretend Derevyanchenko didn’t want to fight Alavrez.

So why don’t we just admit that GGG and Canelo both fight the best competition available and can’t really be chastised for ducking. If we’re going to complain that they’ve ducked someone, they‘be both “ducked“ the exact same opponents, like Derevyanchenko, Andrade and Charlo.

The reason he’s getting bashed for not wanting to take the Canelo fight is because he’s been campaigning for it for about a year now. And when the opportunity presents itself he chooses to fight a mando in a fight that wasn’t mandated. Also because after the SD fight when he was asked in his post fight interview if he wanted Canelo next. He responded by saying yes all Canelo has to do is agree to it. So that falls on him. And no they don’t face the same level of opponents. Just compared the opponents and You’ll see that Alvarez has been facing better and higher caliber opposition. It’s that simple.

[Senor_frogs]

ShanemosleySr. proves endless debate that star boxers won’t be coerced into purse bids. We’ve been saying this for years, and particularly around Canelo. Now the Canelo haters admit it... lol... to say Devry “deserved” more than what was offered because of a sanctioning rule that the promoters exploit.

OF COURSE PROMOTERS would love a purse bid rule because it wasn’t founded on the context of huge draws and stars. A perfect example was Teixeira vs Castaño negotiations and headlines saying going to purse bid if... it all makes sense in these situations because they’re not American draws nor proven PPV stars and no one wants to hear about such fighters complain about splits. That’s why the rule is there.

Only Canelo haters think Saul Alvarez is going to give a non American attraction who is an Eastern Euro fighter more than what they deserve.. “but but purse bids say this doe....”

If it’s a star player from GBP Haymon plays the fool. That’s why industry hates him because he imposed his advisory ego in not making fights to benefit who? The fighter or himself?

Haymon’s racist ass rather put in expendable Ruiz Jr. than to give Hearn his Wilder.

All the karma comes to bite.

Agree. But try explaining that to these Fanboys. It’s a headache

[ShaneMosleySr]

We agree on all of that. I basically said that when I said I would rather have my fighter fight Kovalev over Derevyanchenko.

No. Negotiations revolve around money. Be specific with your assessment. Which fight is financially better, Kovalev or Derevyanchenko? On top of that, what's better, to defend while the fighter you're giving an offer doesn't accept, OR go for the LHW title as its better on your resume?

Try and convince to fans, what's a better win on Canelo's resume, the Devry or Kovalev fight.

[ShaneMosleySr]

The fight not happening.

What would be GBP's fault?

[ShaneMosleySr]

He’s getting bashed for not changing his plans to suit Canelo.

He signed to fight Szeremeta before he signed to fight Canelo. Canelo’s team asked him to fight Canelo first. He said no.

Why is that even an issue? They asked for a FAVOR and he said no. There’s a reason you ask for favors and say please.

Also, they do fight the same level of competition.

Canelo’s second best win is Golovkin’s best win.

They’re both facing each other three times when ranked in the top 5-10 p4p.

And really besides Jacobs, GGG and Mayweather, who did Canelo fight.

40 year old Kovalev who’s 4-4 in his last 8 fights? Rocky Fielding? Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.? Liam Smith? Super lightweight champion Amir Khan? Miguel Cotto who lost to Sadam Ali?

These are the guys you’re applauding while pretending GGG doesn’t fight anyone?

Derevyanchenko would knock out everyone I just listed.

Oh that’s right, we know Canelo fights good competition because he’s fighting GGG three times, you know, the guy you spend all day insulting. Lol.

The reason he’s getting bashed for not wanting to take the Canelo fight is because he’s been campaigning for it for about a year now. And when the opportunity presents itself he chooses to fight a mando in a fight that wasn’t mandated. Also because after the SD fight when he was asked in his post fight interview if he wanted Canelo next. He responded by saying yes all Canelo has to do is agree to it. So that falls on him. And no they don’t face the same level of opponents. Just compared the opponents and You’ll see that Alvarez has been facing better and higher caliber opposition. It’s that simple.