Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Crawford, Fury-Wilder 3, Canelo, More

[Thuglife Nelo]

Canelo fans very touchy about the PED suspension.

Stephen been exposed. We’re all passed that. All hail WADA revision 2019 and Franchise pimpin!

So what’s good with Pacquiao?! Don’t wait years later, just get it out of the way now. Don’t be afraid if Haymon is notified if you threw light at Pac. It’s all part of the game. Remember you said you didn’t understand why PAC vs Thurman didn’t have VADA testing? “VADA style” doe! As if the costs would affect PBC fighters...

[Dasmius Shinobi]

Stephen Edwards is my Sensei for all Saturday's.

This is the most unbiased person I know, his knowledge and analysts, breakdowns and the list going on, are one of the best in the boxing sports. Always learn like a classroom of history of boxing. Stephen Edwards have to consider to open a session of school to put all those rambo couches in their place with knowledge and facts.

[Thunderland]

Judging system and how can we improve it

Hello Breadman.. hope you are doing well.
Your column is one of my Saturday morning staples before my meditation.. LOL
My question to you is if You could..how might you change the judging system.
Your thoughts of ways to possibly improve the judging system which we all have had disagreements with decisions in the past.
1) Many major sports use Video and stil see the final outcome determined by a definitive points system..video and instant replay has allowed more accurate judging.
2) It seems to me that if someone is not knocked down the round will always be scored as a 10-9 when clearly the winner of the round was much more effective in that round then the ten nines in other rounds when it was very difficult to decide the winner.. I understand fighters in varying degrees need adjustment times in earlier rounds and need to be more cautious than other fighters in certain rounds especially earlier rounds because they know there is time to make up whatever they give away* But the system to me could be improved and sometimes is* inequitable and unfair and too subjective. And I think we would all agree that we have seen too many wild discrepancies between judges that makes this an obvious point. It almost makes an oxymoron of the statements if it ain't broke don't fix it ... And the definition of insanity.
my first question is why do we have to have a winner of a round when clearly the round is even or it's a feel out round from the loser and he didn't appear to be in any kind of trouble but yet we always need a 10 9 winner.. since there are 10 points to play with what is this need to only basically use two points of the 10 even when there is a knock down? If we ask somebody what a girl looks like on a scale of 1 to 10 they would use a broad range to say a girl was a six and if she was really good looking they would say nine. why can't we do the same in boxing? To illustrate my point I was watching Joe Louis Max Baer the other day and Joe Louis was obviously destroying Max Baer with a lethal jab and I'm sure the judges only gave him a 10-9 round even though Max Baer wasn't knocked off his feet* I would have clearly given Joe Lewis a 10-8 round for what he was doing to Max Baer and if Max Baer happened to win the first round they would have given him a 10-9 the same as what they gave Joe Louis for destroying Max Baer in the early rounds with his jab and right cross..what would you think of the idea of a judge at the end of the fight awarding an extra point to who they felt overall won the fight I think judges do that anyway unconsciously or purposely because they want to award the proper winner and they realize they have to make up for it. If they change the scoring system to allow more than two points I think it would eliminate a lot of that.
The point you made about Canelo's punches having a certain sound to them is a great one and I also think that a fighter has a certain beauty or visual effect on the judges AKA Muhammad Ali's extremely beautiful style but how do we judge the power of a punch how do we judge a jab over a body punch it appears when someone is trapped or allows themselves to be on the ropes and getting pounded one or two jabs or crosses to the face even though not as powerful evens out a round maybe
unfairly who knows ..maybe that's why you see more fighters head-hunting and if they do go to the body they make it a display for the judges AKA Leonard early rounds against hearns when that was the only thing he dared to do beside circling and moving away.
J Rocks title-winning performance against Hurd slipping and throwing punches on the inside but in the second fight visually the other fighter seemed to be more in control than JRock was with Hurd..JRock to me was not as confident.* I wonder what the points were before the stoppage and what influence confidence displayed by The fighter had on the scoring. Another example was the second Canelo GGG fight was similar GGG was not as confident although I think the fight was at least a draw because I think he landed more then canelo and yes I am a GGG fan.
Always respect your thoughts what do you think?
Richard in Tampa

[Thunderland]

Hello Breadman.. hope you are doing well.
Your column is one of my Saturday morning staples before my meditation.. LOL
My question to you is if You could..how might you change the judging system.
Your thoughts of ways to possibly improve the judging system which we all have had disagreements with decisions in the past.
1) Many major sports use Video and stil see the final outcome determined by a definitive points system..video and instant replay has allowed more accurate judging.
2) It seems to me that if someone is not knocked down the round will always be scored as a 10-9 when clearly the winner of the round was much more effective in that round then the ten nines in other rounds when it was very difficult to decide the winner.. I understand fighters in varying degrees need adjustment times in earlier rounds and need to be more cautious than other fighters in certain rounds especially earlier rounds because they know there is time to make up whatever they give away* But the system to me could be improved and sometimes is* inequitable and unfair and too subjective. And I think we would all agree that we have seen too many wild discrepancies between judges that makes this an obvious point. It almost makes an oxymoron of the statements if it ain't broke don't fix it ... And the definition of insanity.
my first question is why do we have to have a winner of a round when clearly the round is even or it's a feel out round from the loser and he didn't appear to be in any kind of trouble but yet we always need a 10 9 winner.. since there are 10 points to play with what is this need to only basically use two points of the 10 even when there is a knock down? If we ask somebody what a girl looks like on a scale of 1 to 10 they would use a broad range to say a girl was a six and if she was really good looking they would say nine. why can't we do the same in boxing? To illustrate my point I was watching Joe Louis Max Baer the other day and Joe Louis was obviously destroying Max Baer with a lethal jab and I'm sure the judges only gave him a 10-9 round even though Max Baer wasn't knocked off his feet* I would have clearly given Joe Lewis a 10-8 round for what he was doing to Max Baer and if Max Baer happened to win the first round they would have given him a 10-9 the same as what they gave Joe Louis for destroying Max Baer in the early rounds with his jab and right cross..what would you think of the idea of a judge at the end of the fight awarding an extra point to who they felt overall won the fight I think judges do that anyway unconsciously or purposely because they want to award the proper winner and they realize they have to make up for it. If they change the scoring system to allow more than two points I think it would eliminate a lot of that.
The point you made about Canelo's punches having a certain sound to them is a great one and I also think that a fighter has a certain beauty or visual effect on the judges AKA Muhammad Ali's extremely beautiful style but how do we judge the power of a punch how do we judge a jab over a body punch it appears when someone is trapped or allows themselves to be on the ropes and getting pounded one or two jabs or crosses to the face even though not as powerful evens out a round maybe
unfairly who knows ..maybe that's why you see more fighters head-hunting and if they do go to the body they make it a display for the judges AKA Leonard early rounds against hearns when that was the only thing he dared to do beside circling and moving away.
J Rocks title-winning performance against Hurd slipping and throwing punches on the inside but in the second fight visually the other fighter seemed to be more in control than JRock was with Hurd..JRock to me was not as confident.* I wonder what the points were before the stoppage and what influence confidence displayed by The fighter had on the scoring. Another example was the second Canelo GGG fight was similar GGG was not as confident although I think the fight was at least a draw because I think he landed more then canelo and yes I am a GGG fan.
Always respect your thoughts what do you think?
Richard in Tampa

[CaptainWalrus]

Stephen been exposed. We’re all passed that. All hail WADA revision 2019 and Franchise pimpin!

So what’s good with Pacquiao?! Don’t wait years later, just get it out of the way now. Don’t be afraid if Haymon is notified if you threw light at Pac. It’s all part of the game. Remember you said you didn’t understand why PAC vs Thurman didn’t have VADA testing? “VADA style” doe! As if the costs would affect PBC fighters...

Been speculation over Pac in old mailbags. Not sure about the VADA thing here? I didn't write in about that bit.

[CaptainWalrus]

Hello Breadman.. hope you are doing well.
Your column is one of my Saturday morning staples before my meditation.. LOL
My question to you is if You could..how might you change the judging system.
Your thoughts of ways to possibly improve the judging system which we all have had disagreements with decisions in the past.
1) Many major sports use Video and stil see the final outcome determined by a definitive points system..video and instant replay has allowed more accurate judging.
2) It seems to me that if someone is not knocked down the round will always be scored as a 10-9 when clearly the winner of the round was much more effective in that round then the ten nines in other rounds when it was very difficult to decide the winner.. I understand fighters in varying degrees need adjustment times in earlier rounds and need to be more cautious than other fighters in certain rounds especially earlier rounds because they know there is time to make up whatever they give away* But the system to me could be improved and sometimes is* inequitable and unfair and too subjective. And I think we would all agree that we have seen too many wild discrepancies between judges that makes this an obvious point. It almost makes an oxymoron of the statements if it ain't broke don't fix it ... And the definition of insanity.
my first question is why do we have to have a winner of a round when clearly the round is even or it's a feel out round from the loser and he didn't appear to be in any kind of trouble but yet we always need a 10 9 winner.. since there are 10 points to play with what is this need to only basically use two points of the 10 even when there is a knock down? If we ask somebody what a girl looks like on a scale of 1 to 10 they would use a broad range to say a girl was a six and if she was really good looking they would say nine. why can't we do the same in boxing? To illustrate my point I was watching Joe Louis Max Baer the other day and Joe Louis was obviously destroying Max Baer with a lethal jab and I'm sure the judges only gave him a 10-9 round even though Max Baer wasn't knocked off his feet* I would have clearly given Joe Lewis a 10-8 round for what he was doing to Max Baer and if Max Baer happened to win the first round they would have given him a 10-9 the same as what they gave Joe Louis for destroying Max Baer in the early rounds with his jab and right cross..what would you think of the idea of a judge at the end of the fight awarding an extra point to who they felt overall won the fight I think judges do that anyway unconsciously or purposely because they want to award the proper winner and they realize they have to make up for it. If they change the scoring system to allow more than two points I think it would eliminate a lot of that.
The point you made about Canelo's punches having a certain sound to them is a great one and I also think that a fighter has a certain beauty or visual effect on the judges AKA Muhammad Ali's extremely beautiful style but how do we judge the power of a punch how do we judge a jab over a body punch it appears when someone is trapped or allows themselves to be on the ropes and getting pounded one or two jabs or crosses to the face even though not as powerful evens out a round maybe
unfairly who knows ..maybe that's why you see more fighters head-hunting and if they do go to the body they make it a display for the judges AKA Leonard early rounds against hearns when that was the only thing he dared to do beside circling and moving away.
J Rocks title-winning performance against Hurd slipping and throwing punches on the inside but in the second fight visually the other fighter seemed to be more in control than JRock was with Hurd..JRock to me was not as confident.* I wonder what the points were before the stoppage and what influence confidence displayed by The fighter had on the scoring. Another example was the second Canelo GGG fight was similar GGG was not as confident although I think the fight was at least a draw because I think he landed more then canelo and yes I am a GGG fan.
Always respect your thoughts what do you think?
Richard in Tampa

He doesn't read comments so best to email the mailbag.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Been speculation over Pac in old mailbags. Not sure about the VADA thing here? I didn't write in about that bit.

July 17, 2019

Hey Bread!

I'd like you to educate me on something. I got into an argument after Manny Pacquiao's father-time defying win over Keith Thurman with someone claiming that Manny is now "Top 3 of all time". I replied that I'm a huge Pacman fan (being Filipino myself), but saying Manny is top 3 GOAT is a bit getting ahead of ourselves. Although this is a very big win that raises his GOAT profile a bit more, I just feel it's a tad bit disrespectful to a number of legends to lift Manny up that far. In my view, I still have at least Robinson, Ali and Leonard ahead of him just from the top of my head, but I would now rank Pacquiao ahead of Duran with this win at 40 yrs old over a current welterweight champ who is undefeated.

With probably hundreds of thousands of boxers throughout history, I say being in the top 50 is being among the absolute legendary warriors, and I feel Pacquiao would easily be top 25 now. Then I thought, maybe I should have this view of mine tested and what better way to set me straight than to ask you. This isn't me asking you to give me your top 10 GOAT list. My question is, who would you rank above Manny historically after this win? If you can name as many fighters as you can, that would be cool.

Thanks and God bless you always!

Carlo Castillo
Philippines

Bread’s Response: Sometimes WE can get emotional and create a present time bias. But I don’t think people realize what Pac just did. I really wish there was full VADA testing for this fight. I’m a huge Pac guy but the lack of testing is something that is an issue. But to be fair to Pac, Thurman didn’t care for extra testing either and he’s the one who never did VADA and is always taking off…

[ShoulderRoll]

Breadman has always known how good Canelo is. It’s no coincidence the whole year vs the previous that he’s praising Canelo that contradicted his previous questions regarding PEDS... which means the theory was correct that they were just fabricated. It’s cause Bread likes to kiss Haymon and Shields to get into the gentlemen’s club and tenure. Speak bad about Canelo and gain some love... and you get alts like Fap Fap Boom... right Bread!?

Bread always speaks highly of PAC. Though has never entertained PED su****ions about him but Hauser openly said he thought PAC was on stuff. Assume all fighters are on stuff... why go out of your way to “selectively” choose mystical question about Canelo and PEDS before a Kovalev fight?

Oh wait. Hit pieces doe.

I appreciate Bread turning around, but if you want to keep it a buck, do one on PAC PEDs...

Why did Pacquiao literally say on ESPN Air “giving blood weakens you and it’s not good to give blood during training because it ‘inhibits’ you.” Admit Top Rank made one of the most biggest fumbles with that one. Lol.

Why don't you write into the Mailbag and ask Bread about Pac/PEDs yourself?

It's not that hard to shoot him an email with your question.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Why don't you write into the Mailbag and ask Bread about Pac/PEDs yourself?

It's not that hard to shoot him an email with your question.

They read the threads homie. Breadman knows.

I’m not going to toot my horn about it. Canelo and Pac are givers to their people in bad times. It just sucks that PBC affiliates forces love to do hits against GBP that unfortunately it falls on Canelo, and they still do it intentionally.

You know the game, ShoulderRoll. Breadman always talks positive about PAC... but before Kovalev was intentionally creating mailbags regarding Canelo and PEDS.

PAC’s at his end at PBC anyways. I’ll let those kids and their affiliations enjoy their fun.

I guess when Breadman said he thought Jrock could beat Canelo he stopped all the particular fan questions against Alvarez when Jrock got sparked...