Comments Thread For: WBC Prez Defends Decision To Make Lomachenko a 'Franchise' Champ

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The Franchise Champion was bullshit when Canelo got it and it was bullshit when Lomachenko got it.

At least Canelo still made an offer to fight Jermall Charlo, though.

Top Rank completely bypassed Devin Haney which is what they wanted all along.

[TarasMarcenko]

Not true

The Franchise Champion was bullshit when Canelo got it and it was bullshit when Lomachenko got it.

At least Canelo still made an offer to fight Jermall Charlo, though.

Top Rank completely bypassed Devin Haney which is what they wanted all along.

Haney shouldn't have been gifted that belt. He should have been made to fight for it against Campbell. Haney did nothing to deserve it except get skipped over in the Loma and Campbell fight. Loma was NEVER mandated to fight Haney next after the Campbell win. The rules are absolutely clear, undisputed bout trumps mando everytime, 100 percent of the time. Franchise was not not awarded to Loma with the specific agenda so he could specifically not fight Haney. Haney is just the fighter who benefitted in getting a belt. Could have been any fighter in that position, not specifically Haney. Haney is not even better than Campbell or prime Linares. Definitely not more powerful or more skilled than Teo.

Haney got lucky. Loma deserved Franchise. Haney was just in the right spot at the right time to get a free belt that was Loma's, not his. Loma didn"t give the belt to Haney, Suieleman did. Loma was not in that decision making process.

As far as he knew they could treat it as an empty belt and have had Haney and Campbell fight for it. Sounds like Sueileman appeased Haney for Hearns. Remember Campbell was higher ranked than Haney. Campbell loses to Loma so suddenly he is worse than Haney?

Franchise had nothing to do with Haney. Anyone who reads it from the myopic stance that this Franchise decision by Suileman was about Haney is out of context and pissed they are not seeing a Haney & Loma fight immediately. But Loma is going for the IBF first, then he stated two fights he wants are Tank and Haney. All good things down the line. Any black fight fan of a black fighter would not think it smart that thier fighter in Loma's position, should fight a non belt holder rather than for undisputed and a belt holder. Teo bests Haney, beats Haney, 9 out of ten times. He is a bigger challenge for Loma. Haney is no slouch but he fought cans to get here. He can fight Loma after the Loma and Teo fight, if Loma wins. All the Haney racist fans want Haney to have a crack at winning all four belts before Teo. Cause it looks like prime pickings, Loma being too small for 135 with all the weight bullys. Lets see if Loma can beat all these big fighters with the skill that Franchise fighter should possess.

Once he fights Haney he comes full circle and closes this chapter. Sueileman was drooling to get a chance to nab Loma. Clearly the best fighter to come out in a generation. 2 gold medals and best amateur record in history. Not fighting cans. And able to beat champions in 3 divisions. Eight 5 star fighters in 15 fights. Haney Zero 5 star fighters in 24 fights.

Yeah, Haney was the reason Loma was given Franchise. Really? Haney was all that to influence this?

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Haney shouldn't have been gifted that belt. He should have been made to fight for it against Campbell. Haney did nothing to deserve it except get skipped over in the Loma and Campbell fight. Loma was NEVER mandated to fight Haney next after the Campbell win. The rules are absolutely clear, undisputed bout trumps mando everytime, 100 percent of the time. Franchise was not not awarded to Loma with the specific agenda so he could specifically not fight Haney. Haney is just the fighter who benefitted in getting a belt. Could have been any fighter in that position, not specifically Haney. Haney is not even better than Campbell or prime Linares. Definitely not more powerful or more skilled than Teo.

Haney got lucky. Loma deserved Franchise. Haney was just in the right spot at the right time to get a free belt that was Loma's, not his. Loma didn"t give the belt to Haney, Suieleman did. Loma was not in that decision making process.

As far as he knew they could treat it as an empty belt and have had Haney and Campbell fight for it. Sounds like Sueileman appeased Haney for Hearns. Remember Campbell was higher ranked than Haney. Campbell loses to Loma so suddenly he is worse than Haney?

Franchise had nothing to do with Haney. Anyone who reads it from the myopic stance that this Franchise decision by Suileman was about Haney is out of context and pissed they are not seeing a Haney & Loma fight immediately. But Loma is going for the IBF first, then he stated two fights he wants are Tank and Haney. All good things down the line. Any black fight fan of a black fighter would not think it smart that thier fighter in Loma's position, should fight a non belt holder rather than for undisputed and a belt holder. Teo bests Haney, beats Haney, 9 out of ten times. He is a bigger challenge for Loma. Haney is no slouch but he fought cans to get here. He can fight Loma after the Loma and Teo fight, if Loma wins. All the Haney racist fans want Haney to have a crack at winning all four belts before Teo. Cause it looks like prime pickings, Loma being too small for 135 with all the weight bullys. Lets see if Loma can beat all these big fighters with the skill that Franchise fighter should possess.

Once he fights Haney he comes full circle and closes this chapter. Sueileman was drooling to get a chance to nab Loma. Clearly the best fighter to come out in a generation. 2 gold medals and best amateur record in history. Not fighting cans. And able to beat champions in 3 divisions. Eight 5 star fighters in 15 fights. Haney Zero 5 star fighters in 24 fights.

Yeah, Haney was the reason Loma was given Franchise. Really? Haney was all that to influence this?

The fact is that Haney became the #1 contender for the WBC belt.
A mandatory had not been ordered yet but it was going to be, and Lomachenko would have had to fight him eventually or else lose the belt.

Top Rank asked for Franchise Champion status, though. And now Lomachenko can never be forced to fight Haney.

The maneuvering by Bob Arum is obvious.

[TarasMarcenko]

Not about Haney

The fact is that Haney became the #1 contender for the WBC belt.


Top Rank asked for Franchise Champion status, though. And now Lomachenko can never be forced to fight Haney.

The maneuvering by Bob Arum is obvious.

I want to poke an obvious hole in your scenario. You're saying Haney was a mandatory and they gifted Haney with the belt so that that Loma could avoid him. You also say a mandatory had not been ordered yet but it was going to be, and Lomachenko would have had to fight him eventually or else lose the belt.

Again, yeah, it all was about Haney. Not.

1) Haney just happened to be the fighter who got gifted the vacated belt. Usually in those instances they set up a fight for it and don't just award it to the mandatory. But each to their own. By the very notion of being mandatory means he should still have to fight for it, if it is vacated. Mandatory to fight, not be just given a belt. Of course a mandatory was going to be ordered between Haney and Loma. But Loma already wants to fight Haney, after he fights for undisputed. It was not called for yet, because it couldn't be called yet. Undisputed fights trump mandatories 100% of the time. Loma didn't get Franchise to avoid Haney. The Haney and Loma fight was not going to happen next regardless. Fine point but the point that is accurate.

2) And yes with Franchise Loma can now avoid his mandatories for the WBC. But Haney is not a mandatory. He's a belt holder. Haney is a draw, has a belt. He's a big fight that Loma can take. Franchise allows Loma to pick and choose the fights he wants for the WBC. Haney is more attractive as an opponent, not being just a mandatory, but a belt holder.

3) Loma had to defend mandatories for all three belts he owned. He just won the belt from Campbell so the other two orgs, besides the WBC, had first dibs on Loma. Haney needed to get in line with everyone else. And the purpose of Franchise is so Loma doesn't have to face any more Crollas for the WBC. But to have the fights everyone wants. Everyone wants the Haney fight, a belt holder, the controversy of Haney being handed the belt. And the new controversy of Haney saying no white boi would ever beat him, in reference to Loma when being interviewed by a racist black figher fan club.

Loma stated after he was awarded Franchise that Tank and Haney are the two fights he wants after he fights for the IBF. It's out there in video. End of story.

No ****ing controversy except for the Haney racist fans. Haney was acting like a impatient ***** in the media after Loma beat Campbell. The WBC was not calling for a mandatory. They know the rules. Haney fans seem to not have any clarity and buy into any ****** conspiracy theory made by members of the media with an agenda. They avoid talking about Tank avoiding Loma and Tank choking his ex. But they hop onto to controversy about Loma.

Just as they are doing with Teofimo and Fimo's errant half thought out comments with holes throughout. 'Loma doesn't want to fight me, Loma wants to fight an interim first, Loma is wanting to back out'. And writers with an agenda parody that as if it came from Arums or Loma. It didn't and the facts came out later. Arum offered both of them the chance for an interim bout. Loma and Teo both turned it down. In that context Teo was also refusing to fight in an empty arena but in the same breath said he sent an offer to Haney, but Haney didn't respond. So, Teo alludes that Loma wants an interim and media attack Loma, and it was not true. And Teo was going to fight Haney in an empty arena? Two lies by Teo and he can't keep his stories straight.

Anyhow, Teo asserted that Loma wants an interim fight, but off handedly, not directly saying it but leading the viewer to make that conclusion. Writers with an ax to grind against Loma took that and ran with various videos on youtube saying Loma is scared of Teo and Loma wants and interim fight, and therefore it should be against Haney. The Haney fans jumped on and claimed Loma has just fought bums and is avoiding Teo and Haney. And so Teo camps and Haney camps are dissing Loma, while Loma stays quiet like a pro and Franchise champ. Leads by doing it in the ring.

Loma has fought 8 five star fighters in 15 fights, not avoiding any of the belt holders but wanting them all. Wants Tank and Haney after he fights Teo. That is one man on a mission. Someone worthy of Franchise. And is why he was given Franchise. He set records that will not soon be broken by any pro man fighter. I say man, because Clarissa broke it on the women's side. Good for her, but the women and men's pool of fighters is not even close. It's not even a comparison worthy of note.

Haney hasn't faced even 1 five star fighter in 24 fights. Nada. Teo fought 1 five star fighter in 15 fights, Commey.

Both are chomping at the bit to face a smaller, outsized Loma, both are racing to fight him before they both bust out of their clothes and have to move up to 140. And to have the chance to win 3 belts at once. Both of them are weight bully's.

Reason Loma is not at his natural weight is because the belt holders at 130 were not willing to fight Loma, including Tank. It took the enticement of size differential at 135 to draw out the belt holders. And now he has one left. Get that, win Haney's sub belt back, beat the ex-wife beater Tank, and then my preference is that he goes down to 130 and fights Berchelt and meets Stevenson there. Loma called out Berchelt before Berchelt called out Loma. Loma called him out but it wasn't setup and a year later Berchelt called out Loma, but at that point Loma moved up to fight 3 weight division, world champion Linares. A better fight and no more ****ing around, a chance to win in three weight classes in record time. But Berchelt and Loma should meet to settle that old score.

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The Franchise Champion was bullshit when Canelo got it and it was bullshit when Lomachenko got it.

At least Canelo still made an offer to fight Jermall Charlo, though.

Top Rank completely bypassed Devin Haney which is what they wanted all along.

yep to fight someone better and higher ranked. this isnt a floyd fighting unrnaked mitchell for less money instead of #1 marg or judah coming off a loss instead of #1 marg. its to setup a fight between the two best in the division. sorry haney. bad timing for you or good as it could save his career mungia style for not taking the ggg fight

[TonyGe]

Doesn't matter who holds the franchise belt it's a farce. Why waste a thread on it.

[daggum]

Doesn't matter who holds the franchise belt it's a farce. Why waste a thread on it.

boxing is a farce why waste a site on it? giving guys tue's for fake dehydration claims yet he takes 10 times more than needed for severe dehydration...yeah that checks out! and upon further investigation of watching the 24/7 he didnt even drop any weight but yeah he needed it! wasnt just cheating his ass off

[TonyGe]

boxing is a farce why waste a site on it? giving guys tue's for fake dehydration claims yet he takes 10 times more than needed for severe dehydration...yeah that checks out! and upon further investigation of watching the 24/7 he didnt even drop any weight but yeah he needed it! wasnt just cheating his ass off

After the first sentence I have no idea what you are talking about. Who are you referring to??

[TonyGe]

No shit. Just when we thought the inequity intrinsic to the business of boxing couldn't get any worse the WBC goes the extra mile to make it worse.

The job of the sanctioning orgs was suppossed to be to legitimise boxing by imposing certain requirements on Champions, not to increase privilege and put a few stars in an even stronger position than they were already.

Abdolutely. The belt is a farce. There are no mandatories and it can't be lost in the ring. WTF.

[daggum]

After the first sentence I have no idea what you are talking about.

yeah i wonder who cheated while using tue's...santa claus?