Comments Thread For: Arum: Loma, Lopez Turned Down Interim Bouts; Planning Their Fight For September

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Clear knockdown. ****** refereeing.

Are you kidding?

Loma takes the punch and his knee is fine. Once Lomas foot tied up with GRJ then Lomas foot buckled.

And the punch GRJ hit Loma with was an arm shot and not some massive power punch.

Wouldnt be a BAD CALL of scored a KD, but it was definitely unclear. I dont consider that a KD personally.

Either way Loma won that fight 9-3 or 8-4. GRJ was close to getting stopped by end of the fight. Do you need vids of that?

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Are you kidding?

Loma takes the punch and his knee is fine. Once Lomas foot tied up with GRJ then Lomas foot buckled.

And the punch GRJ hit Loma with was an arm shot and not some massive power punch.

Wouldnt be a BAD CALL of scored a KD, but it was definitely unclear. I dont consider that a KD personally.

Either way Loma won that fight 9-3 or 8-4. GRJ was close to getting stopped by end of the fight. Do you need vids of that?

It dont matter if you show that guy proof because hes always wearing his black bias glasses.

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It dont matter if you show that guy proof because hes always wearing his black bias glasses.

Well this is the site for that. Breadman Edwards who is one of the main guys here is basically a black panther...always making issues about race when it's completely irrelevant.

A shame because they dont realize being pro white or pro black (or pro anything) is the same as being a ****...just with different colors.

Gotta grow up and move past that basic ish. One of the smartest men I ever learned about was MLK and I'm white. MLK understood you cant defeat ignorance with ignorance which is why he welcomed black, white, Hispanic, Indian, asian, whatever.

The institution of America is racist. That's the reality. Unfortunately change takes time and its grassroots so you gotta vote...as dumb and basic as that sounds. Peaceful protest is another way of trying to change things and although it sounds corny it is effective

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Well this is the site for that. Breadman Edwards who is one of the main guys here is basically a black panther...always making issues about race when it's completely irrelevant.

A shame because they dont realize being pro white or pro black (or pro anything) is the same as being a ****...just with different colors.

Gotta grow up and move past that basic ish. One of the smartest men I ever learned about was MLK and I'm white. MLK understood you cant defeat ignorance with ignorance which is why he welcomed black, white, Hispanic, Indian, asian, whatever.

The institution of America is racist. That's the reality. Unfortunately change takes time and its grassroots so you gotta vote...as dumb and basic as that sounds. Peaceful protest is another way of trying to change things and although it sounds corny it is effective

Not sure if you're a marvel fan but the movie Black Panther basically takes that issue up and runs with it.

As a minority (asian) I know very well that racism exists but those guys take it to a whole nother level. Instead of trying to do better and being a good sport they instead CHOOSE to do the exact opposite and invite hate to control their lives. These guys have been life long victims by their own choice. Instead of empowering themselves and other people to do better they instead do their best to bring others down.

I'm super *******, have never pulled my race card, support equality for women and all races etc, but these guys really make you hate them and not want to support people like them. Just by being hear and reading all their racist **** I I exactly why some white people hate black people. These guys wanna act like its them against the world, its not.

You want them to be better but they just want to bring you down to their level. Then they go and victimize themselves. They dont care about equality. All they want is their race on top.

[James Hunt]

Well this is the site for that. Breadman Edwards who is one of the main guys here is basically a black panther...always making issues about race when it's completely irrelevant.

A shame because they dont realize being pro white or pro black (or pro anything) is the same as being a ****...just with different colors.

Gotta grow up and move past that basic ish. One of the smartest men I ever learned about was MLK and I'm white. MLK understood you cant defeat ignorance with ignorance which is why he welcomed black, white, Hispanic, Indian, asian, whatever.

The institution of America is racist. That's the reality. Unfortunately change takes time and its grassroots so you gotta vote...as dumb and basic as that sounds. Peaceful protest is another way of trying to change things and although it sounds corny it is effective

Not sure if you're a marvel fan but the movie Black Panther basically takes that issue up and runs with it.

As a minority (asian) I know very well that racism exists but those guys take it to a whole nother level. Instead of trying to do better and being a good sport they instead CHOOSE to do the exact opposite and invite hate to control their lives. These guys have been life long victims by their own choice. Instead of empowering themselves and other people to do better they instead do their best to bring others down.

I'm super *******, have never pulled my race card, support equality for women and all races etc, but these guys really make you hate them and not want to support people like them. Just by being hear and reading all their racist **** I I exactly why some white people hate black people. These guys wanna act like its them against the world, its not.

You want them to be better but they just want to bring you down to their level. Then they go and victimize themselves. They dont care about equality. All they want is their race on top.

Both brilliant!

[TarasMarcenko]

Loma and Gary Russell Jr.

Clear knockdown. ****** refereeing.

So, the stats really, really stand out on this fight. Lomachenko doubled up Gary in total punches landed and power punches landed. Loma put on a dazzling boxing display, as Russell missed nine of every ten punches he threw. Loma on the flip, landed 53% of his power shots over the last three rounds.

It appears to me, Gary was trying so hard to out speed Loma, trying to prove something, that his effectiveness and accuracy where dog*** pretty much the whole fight. Gary landed 83 out of 806 punches. How the hell is that possible? Either Lomachenko's defense must be better than Floyd's or Russell needs to stop punching air and glove. Like I said, Loma landed half of his power shots.

Again, Russell landed 83 out of 806 total punches (mostly superficial pats). Russell was outlanded 183 to 83. Yet, one of the judge's score: Draw? Gary is the one who got a gift.

And you want to talk about Loma touching matt. That replay shows Gary stepping on Loma's left foot and Loma swinging over Gary's head and couldn't follow through with his step and with momentum fell forward, touching the matt. The call was correct. Good reffing and he was right there to see it all. The ref in the Salido fight saw all 43 low blows and didn't even address it once, let alone give a warning. Now that was highway robbery.

Gary touched matt in the third round and it too was a non call rightfully so. But Loma roughed Gary up in three rounds notably and in the 12th had Gary stumbling at the end, teetering like he was going to go down. One more round and Gary would have been TKO'd. You're delusional about the GR fight. He's been fighting at 126 his whole career and he lost track in the most important fight of his career on his weight? You can't make this **** up. His punches were extremely fast in the fight. He does have the fastest punch in the game. It was demonstrated in the fight. A blur. Unfortunately he was shadow boxing. Pitter patter and hitting air. Nothing remarkable. Loma fought guys with stronger punch power resumes, for having punching prowess. Ax Man who had the same record as Gary did when he fought Loma was feared at 130. Not the speed of Russell but harder punch and fear in the arena. Loma made Walters falter because his feints and setups were a master class.

[TarasMarcenko]

I see the exact same thing

Not sure if you're a marvel fan but the movie Black Panther basically takes that issue up and runs with it.

As a minority (asian) I know very well that racism exists but those guys take it to a whole nother level. Instead of trying to do better and being a good sport they instead CHOOSE to do the exact opposite and invite hate to control their lives. These guys have been life long victims by their own choice. Instead of empowering themselves and other people to do better they instead do their best to bring others down.

I'm super *******, have never pulled my race card, support equality for women and all races etc, but these guys really make you hate them and not want to support people like them. Just by being hear and reading all their racist **** I I exactly why some white people hate black people. These guys wanna act like its them against the world, its not.

You want them to be better but they just want to bring you down to their level. Then they go and victimize themselves. They dont care about equality. All they want is their race on top.

I couldn't have said it better. I see so much of this attitude with the black culture. Was friends with a black couple who were my next door neighbor. Our daughters were friends and exact same age. But once I got into our neighbors facebook group, I saw so much self pity with her black community. Everything out in the world is racist and a slight to them. They see things through that prism and victim hood mentality. They didn't wait on the wife fast enough at Wendy's so they started a fight with the employees. I've dealt with bad service left and right and don't attribute it to anything but life sucks. I studied 10 hours a day when at university. The blacks that lived next to me, now a different home, just shot 19 bullets in a fight between step father and son. Mother was shot in the thigh. Father is in jail facing 10 years. Son is on the run. The final two years they sat around and smoked week, did coke and heroin. And this is a good neighborhood. The details came out in the news. At work I know a black coder who is good at this job and is pleasant to work with but he doesn't fit in well with the black community. He does not have the black accent. He picked himself up and took education serious. Something I see lacking a lot with the black culture. Maybe I haven't been exposed to the right group, but I see the pattern being walked right into and confirming it. Back to the couple. They were the president of our association but years later she got in a fight with another black neighbor and ended up getting jail time. Just smh. Don't know what to say. Every race has its criminals but the black culture is dragged down by the group mentality. Thus the facebook group. It was a real energy drag. No clarity and just pity party and seeing slights everywhere. So Loma must be getting a break from the man. Some Ukrainian fighter with no connections here, searches for a promoter who can get him a prize fight in the second fight. Comes in from a different country having won two gold medals and awarded best figher at the 2008 Olympics. Best amateur in history of boxing. And supposedly he is just white hype, because he's white. Five belts in 15 fights and they say he's been fighting bums or the other fighters are getting paid off. That's all the Haney and friends forums can say. So lacking in clarity and context and appreciation and respect. I used to like Haney. I thought he had a good head on his shoulder and was likable. Then, he just walked into that mess. Loma's country has suffered immensely in the last 150 years. Ukraine had 10 million starved to death on purpose, tilling the wheat fields, but not allowed to eat one grain. Force into manual labor but Stalin knew there were rumblings of wanting their own land and freedom and he couldn't allow that. If you ate a grain of wheat you were shot in the field on the spot in your head. So 10 million starved to death in 1932. Some even eating their spouses to try and survive. Do you see Loma coming over here with pity. He though Mike Tyson was a Ukrainian because his dad didn't correct him on that notion. That's the amount of non-racism in Loma. Loma idolized Tyson in his youth and cried when he found out he wasn't Ukrainian. Then Loma idolized Roy Jones in his teenage years. You can see a little of Roy Jones in Loma.

Now Loma has to deal with Haney and that controversy. Being dragged into the pit of black culture racism toward's him. He's being abused by many in that community in the forums. He is innocent and is being abused by many in that culture. Go to the forums that Haney was hanging out on. It's abhorrent. The hatred and non-clarity oozes. To them Loma is an enemy and was handed his titles. The lack of understanding what Loma accomplished in the Olympics and amateurs and then 5 belts in 15 fights in the pros is chalked up to he was fighting bums and setup to win. Discounting the master boxer he grew into through the hard route. Not taking the money after the first Olympics. Not turning pro at 19. Sacrificing to get to where he was as good as he is now.

While 99% of boxers turn pro earlier and ease into harder fights Loma pushed for belts right out the door. He pushed it. Golden Boy could not promise him that, Eddie Hearns could not promise him that. Arum said not in the first fight but he could try to set it up by the second fight based on his Olympic resume. But he said, no one really wants to go in and fight top opponents right away. They want to pad their records. Fight the debut and 0 and 2 opponents to start out. Loma fought 8 five star fighters in 15 fights. Haney none in 24 fights. Tank 1 in 24 fights. Teo 1 in 15 fights. Floyd, go look at his first 10 opponents records, debut, debut, etc. Loma has the hardest first 15 fight opponents' records in the history of professional boxing. Yet the black culture forums that Haney hangs out in, say all he fought were bums.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

I couldn't have said it better. I see so much of this attitude with the black culture. Was friends with a black couple who were my next door neighbor. Our daughters were friends and exact same age. But once I got into our neighbors facebook group, I saw so much self pity with her black community. Everything out in the world is racist and a slight to them. They see things through that prism and victim hood mentality. They didn't wait on the wife fast enough at Wendy's so they started a fight with the employees. I've dealt with bad service left and right and don't attribute it to anything but life sucks. I studied 10 hours a day when at university. The blacks that lived next to me, now a different home, just shot 19 bullets in a fight between step father and son. Mother was shot in the thigh. Father is in jail facing 10 years. Son is on the run. The final two years they sat around and smoked week, did coke and heroin. And this is a good neighborhood. The details came out in the news. At work I know a black coder who is good at this job and is pleasant to work with but he doesn't fit in well with the black community. He does not have the black accent. He picked himself up and took education serious. Something I see lacking a lot with the black culture. Maybe I haven't been exposed to the right group, but I see the pattern being walked right into and confirming it. Back to the couple. They were the president of our association but years later she got in a fight with another black neighbor and ended up getting jail time. Just smh. Don't know what to say. Every race has its criminals but the black culture is dragged down by the group mentality. Thus the facebook group. It was a real energy drag. No clarity and just pity party and seeing slights everywhere. So Loma must be getting a break from the man. Some Ukrainian fighter with no connections here, searches for a promoter who can get him a prize fight in the second fight. Comes in from a different country having won two gold medals and awarded best figher at the 2008 Olympics. Best amateur in history of boxing. And supposedly he is just white hype, because he's white. Five belts in 15 fights and he's been fighting bums. That's all the Haney and friends forums can say. So lacking in clarity and context.

I was here for when people were *****ing that Lomachenko only got title shots in his 2nd pro fight and that it was only because he was white. They were saying that if Loma was black like their favorite fighters they would never get such a chance.

Well. Did they go to the olympics twice and win gold each time? Did they go and talk to different promoters? Did they use the leverage they had?

The answer is no. Most of those guys did nothing as amateurs and just signed with the first guy who came their way. For Lomachenko, a non american who doesnt have "american" values they dont get this. But is that Lomachenkos fault is it their fault for having such a limited capacity?

As an Asian, I've had black posters here suggest that by wanting to be better or supporting white fighters im just obeying my white masters which is pretty damn hilarious considering that I dont have their "victim mentality".

You are only a victim if you choose to be. Yeah, circumstances arent equal and life isnt fair but you need to do the best with what you got. Sometimes you have nothing, sometimes you have more. But these dudes just love to complain and beg for you to feel sorry for them.

Every race has its "trash" and that's a fact.

They call asians the model minority for a reason and while it's a little racist in itself it's the truth. The stereotype that all asian parents force their kids to get good grades? True. My mother gave me 3 choices for a career when I was a kid and they were doctor, engineer, or lawyer. That's it. They pushed me to do well in school and in life.

Now can the same be said for these other guys?

Highly doubt it. I've had enough black friends and coworkers to know where they came from. I've had mexican and Puerto rican friends from "the hood". Your environment growing up definitely dictates what kind of person you are. I feel pretty sad for those guys and they childhood they had to endure with parents teaching them to be victims and then them, teaching their own kids to be victims.

I love being a minority because I get to call all this **** out exactly how it is because I know exactly how it works.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Jack Reiss bias for Toprank fighters is disgusting. If hes not in Bob Arum's pocket then that means hes criminally incompetent and absolutely unfit to officiate. How many mistakes did Reiss make in Lomachenko vs. Crolla?

This guy was still giving Anthony Crolla a ten count whilst he was planted faced down; virtually paralyzed from the waist up.

Posters on here should learn the boxing rules. In the Russell case, it's as clear a KD as it gets, period.

[siablo14]

siablo14 , see you September.

Indeed......