Bread man claims on Twitter that Martinez criminally ducked GGG lol

[Shadoww702]

Nah, I've looked into it some. The WBC rules I quoted earlier were from Jan '14. If you read the various articles about it they all say the interim / champ split is' 'usually' 45/55, but never provide a source or refences. The WBC never made a ruling on what the split would be in this case cos it never got that far, but the certainly weren't bound to give GGG any more than a regular man do split under the rules current at that time. I'm not sure who came up with the 45% thing be I'd be curious to find out.

Ive been unable to establish what the interim split was under the WBC rules prior to 2014 but without success, so I would be interested in seeing that.

I've also tried to find some fights where a WBC interim faced the champion so I could check the purses and figure it that way, but I've had no success so far. Do you know of any?

It was posted on numerous sites Dan Rafeal, Here, Ring, its not hard to find. They were like days away from it going to purse bid with Canelo's lawsuit the next day

The lawsuit didn't just want money. They wanted Canelo back also.

"The bid amount is split between the fighters, generally a 55-45 split in the case of a WBC title fight between a titleholder and interim titlist." - May 18 2006


Believe what you want. Canelo ducked whatever sht u want believe

[Shadoww702]

damn ggg fans are so fkn RTARDED!!!

[Shadoww702]

Nah, I've looked into it some. The WBC rules I quoted earlier were from Jan '14. If you read the various articles about it they all say the interim / champ split is' 'usually' or 'generally: 45/55 (at least the ones I've seen) but never provide a source or refences. That's what made my curious in the first place. The WBC never made a ruling on what the split would be in this case cos it never got that far, but the certainly weren't bound to give GGG any more than a regular mando split under the rules current at that time. I'm not sure who came up with the 45% thing be I'd be curious to find out.

Ive been trying to establish what the interim split was under the WBC rules prior to 2014 but without success so far, so I would be interested in seeing that if anyone got some links?

I've also tried to find some fights where a WBC interim faced the champion so I could check the purses and figure it that way, but I've had no success so far. Do you know of any?

the fight was YEARS ago!!! You CRY babies need to get over it. Fkn move on. Live your life, do you.

Or stay a BI@TCH

[Citizen Koba]

the fight was YEARS ago!!! You CRY babies need to get over it. Fkn move on. Live your life, do you.

Or stay a BI@TCH

Get over what? Hell you talking about?

[Citizen Koba]

It was posted on numerous sites Dan Rafeal, Here, Ring, its not hard to find. They were like days away from it going to purse bid with Canelo's lawsuit the next day

The lawsuit didn't just want money. They wanted Canelo back also.

"The bid amount is split between the fighters, generally a 55-45 split in the case of a WBC title fight between a titleholder and interim titlist." - May 18 20306108


Believe what you want. Canelo ducked whatever sht u want believe

Oh, that's what this is about huh? Nah I never said Canelo 'ducked', merely that Oscar always wanted the fight in 17. I've no doubt Canelo would have been willing to fight Golovkin when he said 'right now'! ' Was it right after the Khan fight? And Ive no reason to question the legitimacy of Canelo's legal issues, and nor have I done so, so I ain't quite sure where you're going with that.

Nah Oscars reasons were that Canelo needed to acclimatise and that fight needed to be built, that's fair enough, and in this day and age 18 months or two years is pretty much how long we usually have to wait for a fight of this magnitude anyway. Just lead promoter and A side perogative.

And the article you reference says exactly what I said 'generally' but when you look into it there ain't enough examples for there to be a 'generally' and none at all since the 2014 WBC rules. Only place I can see that info coming from is someone using the WBA rules which are quite irrelevant here, and in fact misleading.

[siablo14]

40 - 45% is what I've seen reported although I'm not clear where that information comes from because there doesn't seem to be enough examples of it ever happening to establish a norm. (see EDIT below for what I've dug up on this)

Maybe someone could help me with that cos I'm looking through a list of WBC champions and have so far found no other instances where an incumbent fought his interim. Not entirely surprising there ain't many since usually a dude is made interim when they ain't really expecting the incumbent to defend, but I would have thought I'd find one or two at least to check the veracity of the split figure given?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WBC_world_champions

Be interesting to see what split they give Whyte if he ever gets to face the WBC incumbent though.


Regardless it's always done on a case by case according to the 2014 rules and he disparity in drawing power is likely to have resulted in a split more favourable to Canelo.

Way I see it as a combination of things, plan was to make the fight in 17 anyway so they had little interest in exploring whether the fight could be made for their target split in 16. An extra year or more when making a big fight is pretty much the norm now anyways. What information we do have doesn't state or even suggest there was and major dispute over split between the teams, in fact negotiations appear to have barely got going when the WBC dropped the hammer.

It's speculative, but if Oscar did want the fight earlier they could have simply waited to see what decision the WBC made on the split and then vacated if they didn't think it was reasonable surely? That would seem to be the more logical way of doing things I think - what would they have lost by waiting for the decision and negotiating up to that point to see if an agreement couldn't be reached? Since they were willing to drop the belt anyway neither the WBC or GGG had the leverage regardless.



EDIT: Ah, OK I think I got it. I think the various scribes who provided the 55/45 split figure were running with the WBAs rules, Sec D9, not the WBCs.

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/WBA-Rules-adopted-in-Bulgaria-6-11-15-Updated-2019-1.pdf

The WBC have no such rule however, nor is there any reason to think they would apply it (I ain't sure I recall the WBA ever applying it either for FWIW, interim vs Champ fights are almost unheard of it seems). Far as the WBCs rules go an interim champion has no higher status than a normal mandatory as best I can tell, and possibly not even that when it come to purses although the rukles ain't quite clear.

So the 45/55 is from the wrong sanctioning org.... not sure quite who's responsible for spreading that little bit of misinformation or whether it was a sinple error or some kinda obfuscation.

Thanks, Koba.