Bread man claims on Twitter that Martinez criminally ducked GGG lol

[Eff Pandas]

I'm sure there is still audio of Lou DiBella coping to wanting Sergio to NEVER fight GGG. Idk how much of that was Sergio too, but clearly & without dispute Lou didn't want GGG vs Sergio to go down.

Sergio was pretty sh^t in his last few years in the ring when he was purely in cash out mode. He was calling out guys 2 divisions under him & avoiding a deserving challenger like GGG. Hell even Canelo dropped a belt to avoid fighting GGG too soon.

It's hard to argue mfers weren't a fan of fighting GGG at one point. If he was hype or not the reality is no one thought he was a juice being worth the squeeze situation. He was too much risk for too little reward. ****** for GGG & boxing fans who mostly aren't into gay ass fanboy & hater sh^t & just wanna see the best fights in a timelier fashion.

[Citizen Koba]

More flawed logic and the imbecile is you because Lg didn’t have to accept that step aside money he coulda just said No and demanded to fight Cotto. Lg chose an Easy payday over legitimacy, And no Canelo did not get stripped he vacated and went to war with the WBC and it was all over a 40 percent mandated purse split that in no way he was gonna share with ggg, to top that off Cotto vacated the title the day of the fight leaving Canelo with the step aside fee to ggg that he never agreed to and all the sanctioning fees. Of course he was gonna be pissed off. See suckers like you are too busy sucking Golovkin off to see the big picture. You’ll never accept the truth because it dosnt paint a good picture for Golovkin

Cotto wasn't going to fight Golovkin when he had the Canelo fight waiting, man. Why would he? The WBC had been planning that ish since about 2013... Besides Cotto showed exactly how much he cared about the belt by dropping it before he fought Canelo anyway, what you reckon he would have done if GGG tried to force the issue?

If Golovkin had pushed the issue most likely the WBC would have granted an exception or alternatively Cotto would have just dropped the strap. If I had to guess GGG or Loeffler were quietly told straight that Cotto wasn't fighting him before Canelo but the winner of Cotto - Canelo would be mandated to so they acted accordingly. Naturally they wanted the strap but obviously they wanted to fight a star and get the money that came with it too.

Thats my best reading of how things went down anyway.

[JohnCastellanos]

Cotto wasn't going to fight Golovkin when he had the Canelo fight waiting, man. Why would he? The WBC had been planning that ish since about 2013... Besides Cotto showed exactly how much he cared about the belt by dropping it before he fought Canelo anyway, what you reckon he would have done if GGG tried to force the issue?

If Golovkin had pushed the issue most likely the WBC would have granted an exception or alternatively Cotto would have just dropped the strap. If I had to guess GGG or Loeffler were quietly told straight that Cotto wasn't fighting him but the winner of Cotto - Canelo would be mandated to so they acted accordingly. Naturally they wanted the strap be obviously they wanted to fight a star and get the money that came with it too.

Thats thy best reading of how things went down anyway.

If Cotto had vacated to avoid Golovkin that would have been the best outcome. G would have gotten another vacant belt, Canelo would have fought Cotto for the lineal and ring belt. After that Canelo could have negotiated a fight with ggg, maybe taken 2 tuneup fights in between instead of 3 and we would have gotten the fight sooner. Or maybe WBC would have just said GGG vs Canelo for the vacant belt. Who knows? One thing I do know is if there was no mandated split the fight would have been sooner. With all the fees involved and such a low purse split he got vs Cotto you couldn’t expect Canelo to share 40 percent with a non ppv attraction like Golovkin

[JohnCastellanos]

I'm sure there is still audio of Lou DiBella coping to wanting Sergio to NEVER fight GGG. Idk how much of that was Sergio too, but clearly & without dispute Lou didn't want GGG vs Sergio to go down.

Sergio was pretty sh^t in his last few years in the ring when he was purely in cash out mode. He was calling out guys 2 divisions under him & avoiding a deserving challenger like GGG. Hell even Canelo dropped a belt to avoid fighting GGG too soon.

It's hard to argue mfers weren't a fan of fighting GGG at one point. If he was hype or not the reality is no one thought he was a juice being worth the squeeze situation. He was too much risk for too little reward. ****** for GGG & boxing fans who mostly aren't into gay ass fanboy & hater sh^t & just wanna see the best fights in a timelier fashion.

Be that as it may the only thing we actually have is form of any kind of evidence is Golovkin being brought up publicly in between Sergios 2 last fights, and is not even 1 percent of what’s needed to call it officially a duck, Sergio was a 38 year old shot fighter who at the time needed about a year to recover to fight Cotto and we all know he wasn’t fit to fight

[AKAcronym]

So throughout Golovkin's career guys wouldn't be forced into a fight with him, yet I constantly hear that he "forced' guys like Brook, Rosado etc to move up to fight him. Doesn't quite make sense. It's almost as if the concept of forcing someone to fight you isn't a real thing.

[Citizen Koba]

If Cotto had vacated to avoid Golovkin that would have been the best outcome. G would have gotten another vacant belt, Canelo would have fought Cotto for the lineal and ring belt. After that Canelo could have negotiated a fight with ggg, maybe taken 2 tuneup fights in between instead of 3 and we would have gotten the fight sooner. Or maybe WBC would have just said GGG vs Canelo for the vacant belt. Who knows? One thing I do know is if there was no mandated split the fight would have been sooner. With all the fees involved and such a low purse split he got vs Cotto you couldn’t expect Canelo to share 40 percent with a non ppv attraction like Golovkin

Maybe, although the sanction fees were never the official reason for Canelo vacating and of course by doing so he actually worsened his position at the negotiating table for when the fight did come round so I'm not sure it was a strong move if that was their motive.

Personally I think the fight ultimately happened exactly when Oscar / GBP always planned and that the rest was smoke, although I've no doubt Canelo himself would have been willing to fight him at any time.

[Shadoww702]

I knew it! Ggg waited to "age" Sergio. Wouldn't fight Sergio in his PRIME.

Ggg ducked prime Sergio...

[Shadoww702]

Maybe, although the sanction fees were never the official reason for Canelo vacating and of course by doing so he actually worsened his position at the negotiating table for when the fight did come round so I'm not sure it was a strong move if that was their motive.

Personally I think the fight ultimately happened exactly when Oscar / GBP always planned and that the rest was smoke, although I've no doubt Canelo himself would have been willing to fight him at any time.

The split was 55\45. That's why ggg wanted it to go to a purse bid.

[Citizen Koba]

.... not even 1 percent of what’s needed to call it officially a duck

If you can ever find an 'official' definition of a 'duck' lemme know man. Best I can tell its typically one of those terms that folk prefer not to define cos they only want it apply to certain guys.

I got my own guidelines of course, but theyre so stringent we might as well just do away with the term altogether which wouldn't be a huge loss I reckon.

[Citizen Koba]

The split was 55\45. That's why ggg wanted it to go to a purse bid.

Negotiations never even got that far, the 45/55 is at the discretion of the WBC, but they never made any announcement on it, and its most likely they would have been more generous to Canelo if it had gone to purse. As far as I recall. Oscar cited Canelo's legal issues and they walked away. From what Loeffler said they fully acknowledged they were the B side and were willing to be flexible with it but it just never reached that point. Whilst Canelo did say he wouldn't be forced into unnatural deadlines he never once claimed or suggested that GGG was trying to push it to purse, at least not that I saw, and neither did Oscar make such a claim. I think that's more just a fan interpretation that went well beyond what was actually said.

What we do know is that Oscar said in early 2015 that a Golovkin fight was a 'superfight' but that it was maybe two years away and needed time to build and that Canelo needed time to acclimatise to 160. We also know that in '16 when Canelo vacated that essentially a plan was in place with Loeffler for the fight to happen sept 17.

IDK, just looks to me that what actually transpired is what Oscar /GBP planned all along. Ain't faulting anyone, that's just the way the sport is... Money guys call the shots. They were smart to wait IMO.