Comments Thread For: Lopez To Loma: Don't Back The F--k Out; Everybody Wants To See This Fight

[sargo]

********** vs ******** is ******.

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Let's see Lomachenko-Lopez

[Pigeons]

Arum is saying September on PPV without an audience.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...fication-fight

[Hnnnggg]

How you react to problems can and should be criticized if your response is 100% within your power, unencumbered by outside influence.

A plumber can't effectively stop a leak if your home builder decided not to put a water control valve within reach. They can certainly try, but if they can only limit the water, that's not the plumber's fault, it's the home builder's fault.

Trump has been battling a House that has done everything to stall what he wants to do. You've got idiots like AOC pushing agendas about farting cows, phony Russia investigations, impeachments about nothing, complaining about emoluments (which he hasn't violated), complaints about Jared, complaints about Ivanka (who arguably is doing more work than her dad), attempts to stop the wall that we need, a bunch of whining about sex with an adult star, etc etc etc. Now they want to impeach him AGAIN over some document Mueller put out over a year ago. Why not do it back then? Because they knew - and know - it's BS.

He's tried since the day he got in there to put a travel ban in place - only to get called xenophobic. Now people are criticizing him for not shutting down the borders to stop the virus. Yeah, because people kept blocking him from doing it.

You can't be effective when you've got people who waste taxpayer money on nonsense getting in your way.




Wuhan is not a race. Your analogy is a fallacy.

My quip about you making sweeping generalizations pertains to your comment that I’m 100% accountable for this virus even though I’m not from Wuhan. I could only discern that your remark was attributable to my chinese heritage... so no, not a fallacy, just the observation that you think I’m somehow responsible for a pandemic only because of my skin.

Finally it’s pretty simple to see that any response is within your control. No problem exist within a vacuum, especially in something as complex as public health policy. Nobody troubleshoots unhampered by circumstances, nor should you be absolved of any responsibility. Your analogy to a plumbing situation is clearly a poor example as there are degrees to efficacy in how the pandemic can be handled as exemplified by other nations. I understand that they can’t be compared in absolutes because of variances in population size and differences in transmission, but our country has suffered the most by far in terms of casualties and economic distress.

I’m really not sure how anybody could not criticize Trump with the way he’s handled the pandemic from a public health standpoint. Whether it’s his musings on air about injecting disinfectants or his repeated promotion of hydroxychloroqine. It’s absolutely irresponsible when you’re in the public eye where the uneducated are susceptible to influence.

I’m not an expert on foreign policy or economics but my background experience is extensive in clinical pathology (micro specifically) and also industry R&D, particularly in molecular diagnostics development. So it’s appalling to me that very little preemptive measures were taken to develop the infrastructure for a robust screening program with federal oversight.

You can say whatever you want about how Trump handles his other business but the situation we’re in now could’ve been mitigated if he took this pandemic more seriously as opposed to saying well there’s only 5 people infected and this virus will just miraculously disappear.

Do you love this man so dearly that you don’t hold him accountable for the death toll being higher than it should? Makes no sense to me, no one is beyond reproach and I’m our fanaticism is showing. Good luck man

[aaronbnb]

Loma said he wants to fight everybody at lightweight clean out the entire division become the first fully undisputed champ

People say a lot of things. ESPN did a story that they both really want it and no interim fights. And that it will be in September, which is pretty far off. Very skeptical.

[Combat Talk Radio]

any response is within your control.

So explain why Crawford has yet to fight a top opponent then?

[Hnnnggg]

So explain why Crawford has yet to fight a top opponent then?

Nice deflection from my previous post.

I don’t make excuses for anyone. He’s dying on the vine. Not sure why you brought up Crawford. Is it because I picked him to edge out spence in another thread?

Do you hold a personal vendetta against posters because they pick against your favored fighters?

Listen the president doesn’t care about you nor does Errol Spence. They aren’t YOUR champions, don’t project on them.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Nice deflection from my previous post.

Dude. There's no deflection. You don't even realize that you're double-speaking and contradicting yourself at the same time.

YOU said:

Are you essentially saying that...we can’t hold people accountable for how they react to problems? That’s not an attitude that would fly in any profession.

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If you’re troubleshooting an issue, do you not expect to be evaluated on your performance to rectify it

Then, YOU said:

Finally it’s pretty simple to see that any response is within your control. No problem exist within a vacuum...Nobody troubleshoots unhampered by circumstances, nor should you be absolved of any responsibility.

I'm telling you, a person is accountable when it's 100% in their control. You think that it's always in a person's control.

So, once again, let's use Terence Crawford as an example and put him in your situation.

Going by what you're saying, Terence Crawford is 100% to blame and accountable for him not getting big fights. Period. That's what YOU are saying. You're not accepting outside influences stopping it (Arum, Haymon, ESPN, etc.), you don't think they matter.

Yet, you're willing to blame Errol Spence. Who has nothing directly to do with why Crawford can't get big name fights because Errol is not his promoter or manager.

In other words, my dude, I am calling out your hypocrisy. You're using "accountable" as a smoke screen to hate on Trump for something that was out of his control (the initial release of the virus), and to get angry at people for holding those who allowed the virus to release (Wuhan) accountable. Because they are accountable. Not Trump. Had Wuhan taken measures to stop the virus from getting out, there wouldn't have been a need for Trump to act in the first place. That's how accountability works.

Now, with Crawford, he would have already had big name fights if he hadn't signed with Bob Arum. That's not Errol's fault, it's Crawford's fault. Making Crawford accountable for that decision. Arum accountable for not paying the necessary money to make the fight happen.

Accountability begins and ends with the FIRST decision that causes a problem. Trying to place blame on others is true deflection. Trump is not to blame for Wuhan Virus. Spence is not to blame for Crawford's inability to land big fights. We need to place blame where it deserves to go.

Wuhan is the reason we have an outbreak world-wide.
Crawford is the reason he's resorting to sparking B-levels and taking vacant titles.

Blame the origin, NOT the respondent.

[TarasMarcenko]

GR and Loma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN23-o1ZS_w

Very hard to find Loma and GR longer highlights.

[Hnnnggg]

Dude. There's no deflection. You don't even realize that you're double-speaking and contradicting yourself at the same time.

YOU said:




Then, YOU said:



I'm telling you, a person is accountable when it's 100% in their control. You think that it's always in a person's control.

So, once again, let's use Terence Crawford as an example and put him in your situation.

Going by what you're saying, Terence Crawford is 100% to blame and accountable for him not getting big fights. Period. That's what YOU are saying. You're not accepting outside influences stopping it (Arum, Haymon, ESPN, etc.), you don't think they matter.

Yet, you're willing to blame Errol Spence. Who has nothing directly to do with why Crawford can't get big name fights because Errol is not his promoter or manager.

In other words, my dude, I am calling out your hypocrisy. You're using "accountable" as a smoke screen to hate on Trump for something that was out of his control (the initial release of the virus), and to get angry at people for holding those who allowed the virus to release (Wuhan) accountable. Because they are accountable. Not Trump. Had Wuhan taken measures to stop the virus from getting out, there wouldn't have been a need for Trump to act in the first place. That's how accountability works.

Now, with Crawford, he would have already had big name fights if he hadn't signed with Bob Arum. That's not Errol's fault, it's Crawford's fault. Making Crawford accountable for that decision. Arum accountable for not paying the necessary money to make the fight happen.

Accountability begins and ends with the FIRST decision that causes a problem. Trying to place blame on others is true deflection. Trump is not to blame for Wuhan Virus. Spence is not to blame for Crawford's inability to land big fights. We need to place blame where it deserves to go.

Wuhan is the reason we have an outbreak world-wide.
Crawford is the reason he's resorting to sparking B-levels and taking vacant titles.

Blame the origin, NOT the respondent.

You clearly do not understand what the term contradiction means... It's when statements are inconsistent in element.

Those two quotes you've highlighted from my previous post ACTUALLY coincide in my ideology; which is the notion that everyone is accountable for their OWN actions regardless of circumstances... I don't understand how that is difficult to process. I'm directly citing Trump's handling of the pandemic and how it wasn't prudent from a public health standpoint (which unless you disclose your background and explain your reasoning as to why he's done a great job, you're just a layman who has no place in the argument in terms of science/health). *Please explain to me how those two sentences you quoted demonstrate hypocrisy, when they both clearly state that an individual has control over their own actions and that they are accountable to them regardless of outside factors.*

I think I understand now, though; we just have differing perspectives. You have a victim's mentality, where people feel that they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions because they've been dealt a bad card. Which to me, was highlighted when you inextricably stated that you can ONLY be accountable for your actions in a situation where you have 100% control... There are no rules that govern when or where within a situation that you can be held accountable. Being accountable means taking responsibility period, whether it's an action or a decision, it doesn't matter.

In regards to Crawford, he is entirely responsible for his own career. There's always options to make the Spence fight. He could take numerous concessions if he really wanted it. He can pressure Arum or he can jump to the PBC, but he seems content doing what he's doing. I'm not into this diva aspect of the sport but note that even if he did everything in the world and the fight didn't happen, he's not responsible for the outcome, but he IS accountable for HIS actions. Same thing with Trump, he's not directly responsible for all the deaths, but he should be accountable for his lackadaisical approach to containing it.

Also I'm pretty sure I've never stated that Errol Spence is the reason that the fight isn't happening, but I will state now that he's 100% accountable for getting ****ed up in a DUI that put his career on hold which indirectly affects the fight. I have no dog in this race, and I'm not sure why you've zeroed in on crawford-spence as a point of contention.

For someone so focused on semantics, you really should brush up on the proper usage of words like analogy, accountability, and contradiction... etc