How come some people like 3G can keep a title they are given but not won they win?

[Thuglife Nelo]

Aha. Recent?... I just had a vague memory of seeing a thread about Pac in 2010 or something and thought you were talking about that.

Far as I can see it there's no good reason why any top level fighter shouldn't have testing written into their fight contracts or that any fighter should avoid testing or be non-compliant. When that happens I'll always harbour su****isions as to why. What I won't do in any case is declare guilt based on circumstantial evidence.

As to why Pacquiao said this or that I have no idea, but he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed for sure, in fact most fighters ain't, and hearing dumb crap come out of the mouth of a boxer ain't exactly unusual.

Random blood testing didn’t exist in the context we are talking about. Pacquiao said they drew blood on the day of the fight. Lol. The truth is his blood was drawn 2 days before the fight and PAC corroborated that ok a Filipino show after losing to Morales 1. If the Nevada commission lost his sample and needed another one, then why didn’t Pac blame it on such testing in the post fight interview with Larry Merchant when such testing was a distraction because it wasn’t done before? Instead PAC blamed it on socks.... that’s all on HBO tape.

The truth is this:

“Golden Boy Promotions, which acts for Mayweather, says urine tests do not detect Human Growth Hormone, while the Olympic-standard blood tests they want do. Medical opinion is divided on the subject. Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, has dismissed the allegations as mischief-making. He said in an interview with ESPN this month: "Mayweather's side wanted it because the expert over there, Mayweather Sr, says Manny is on steroids to get bigger. They're scared of Manny and scared of his power. He'll pass any test in the world."

[GhostofDempsey]

Random blood testing didn’t exist in the context we are talking about. Pacquiao said they drew blood on the day of the fight. Lol. The truth is his blood was drawn 2 days before the fight and PAC corroborated that ok a Filipino show after losing to Morales 1. If the Nevada commission lost his sample and needed another one, then why didn’t Pac blame it on such testing in the post fight interview with Larry Merchant when such testing was a distraction because it wasn’t done before? Instead PAC blamed it on socks.... that’s all on HBO tape.

The truth is this:

“Golden Boy Promotions, which acts for Mayweather, says urine tests do not detect Human Growth Hormone, while the Olympic-standard blood tests they want do. Medical opinion is divided on the subject. Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, has dismissed the allegations as mischief-making. He said in an interview with ESPN this month: "Mayweather's side wanted it because the expert over there, Mayweather Sr, says Manny is on steroids to get bigger. They're scared of Manny and scared of his power. He'll pass any test in the world."

Check this guy out, he's the biggest fan of a known and proven drug cheat who was actually suspended for PED use, trying to accuse a fighter who has never failed a drug test of cheating. Typical of the casual behavior around here.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Check this guy out, he's the biggest fan of a known and proven drug cheat who was actually suspended for PED use, trying to accuse a fighter who has never failed a drug test of cheating. Typical of the casual behavior around here.

Yeah and Goodman and Sulaiman bent over like two betches and named Canelo a Franchise Champion. No honest authority would do that unless they intentionally conspired foul play before hand.

The War Gods favor Canelo Alvarez. And still, PAC avoid drug testing blaming it on blood drawn and socks for the Morales fight... go figure.

[Citizen Koba]

Random blood testing didn’t exist in the context we are talking about. Pacquiao said they drew blood on the day of the fight. Lol. The truth is his blood was drawn 2 days before the fight and PAC corroborated that ok a Filipino show after losing to Morales 1. If the Nevada commission lost his sample and needed another one, then why didn’t Pac blame it on such testing in the post fight interview with Larry Merchant when such testing was a distraction because it wasn’t done before? Instead PAC blamed it on socks.... that’s all on HBO tape.

The truth is this:

“Golden Boy Promotions, which acts for Mayweather, says urine tests do not detect Human Growth Hormone, while the Olympic-standard blood tests they want do. Medical opinion is divided on the subject. Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, has dismissed the allegations as mischief-making. He said in an interview with ESPN this month: "Mayweather's side wanted it because the expert over there, Mayweather Sr, says Manny is on steroids to get bigger. They're scared of Manny and scared of his power. He'll pass any test in the world."

And.... ?

Is this going somewhere? If you're of the opinion that Manny (or Floyd for that matter) were drug cheats then by all means you're entitled to hold that opinion. All I'm saying is there's no hard proof in either case.

As to the rest of it you'll have to forgive me if I ain't fully following.

You appear to be claiming that Manny and Keiths decision to just use standard CPB VADA instead of having testing written into the fight contract is evidence of a conspiracy by the WBC to punish Canelo and hold his subsequent elevation to 'Franchise' Champion as further proof of this. Have I got that about right?

I... ummm... ain't quite sure what the correct response to that kinda reasoning is, I'm afraid. I'm not sure it passes the minumum standards for what I'd claim as 'truth' however.

[Thuglife Nelo]

And.... ?

Is this going somewhere? If you're of the opinion that Manny (or Floyd for that matter) were drug cheats then by all means you're entitled to hold that opion. All I'm saying is there's no hard proof in either case.

As to the rest of it you'll have to forgive me if I ain't fully following.

You appear to be claiming that Manny and Keiths decision to just use standard CPB VADA instead of having testing written into the fight contract is evidence of a conspiracy by the WBC to punish Canelo and hold his subsequently elevation to 'Franchise' Champion as further proof of this. Have I got that about right?

I... ummm... ain't quite sure what the correct response to that kinda reasoning is, I'm afraid.

Because VADA has made it strict, per their yearly conferences, that they are on a mission to catch cheaters and they will be dealt with severely. Franchise Champion came out of nowhere, and if there was any favoritism in theory that Canelo is protected, then Goodman and Mauricio would’ve made it a priority to give Canelo benefit of doubt when it all happened because of the Vargas case. The best anyone could do is stick their neck out with CSI forensics and hair samples and still wasn’t good enough for Canelo haters when it’s good enough for murder cases. Lol.

The Franchise Award was specifically extra ordinary measures for the WBC to rebound on their mistakes regarding Clen because they knew GBP wasn’t going to purse with Haymon for Charlo. So the WBC came up with a surprise attack on industry. Why would VADA associate with an organization like the WBC with all this inconsistency.

And stop spinning no VADA testing with PAC vs Thurman.

[Citizen Koba]

Because VADA has made it strict, per their yearly conferences, that they are on a mission to catch cheaters and they will be dealt with severely. Franchise Champion came out of nowhere, and if there was any favoritism in theory that Canelo is protected, then Goodman and Mauricio would’ve made it a priority to give Canelo benefit of doubt when it all happened because of the Vargas case. The best anyone could do is stick their neck out with CSI forensics and hair samples and still wasn’t good enough for Canelo haters when it’s good enough for murder cases. Lol.

The Franchise Award was specifically extra ordinary measures for the WBC to rebound on their mistakes regarding Clen because they knew GBP wasn’t going to purse with Haymon for Charlo. So the WBC came up with a surprise attack on industry. Why would VADA associate with an organization like the WBC with all this inconsistency.

And stop spinning no VADA testing with PAC vs Thurman.

It's a fascinating hypothesis man, but entirely speculative. There's a virtually limitless range of possible hypotheses that could explain the set of circumstances you've selected including the most obvious one that there's no causal link between em at all.

Is there some reason you're sharing your speculations with me in particular? I'm thinking maybe someone with less rigorous ideas of what constitutes proof might be a better fit for you?

[Get em up]

observing -GGG for instance was able to defend a fake title for years and years without a problem, but once he won a recognised title in the ring, he could only last three opponents before surrendering it.
How come hes crap at defending a title he wins but good hes given a fake one?

Why is people still arguing over GGG and his middleweight reign is the real question. Fact is the dude didnt get beat until the second Nelo fight and up until then he looked pretty much untouchable. Although I do say it would've made me a fan of he had moved up in weight but since he opted to stay at 160 I'm respectful of his accomplishments and everything but not real impressed by his lack of pushing himself and his legacy.

[DaNeutral.]

observing -GGG for instance was able to defend a fake title for years and years without a problem, but once he won a recognised title in the ring, he could only last three opponents before surrendering it.
How come hes crap at defending a title he wins but good hes given a fake one?

Isn't there a casual fanboy section for goons like this one?

[boliodogs]

observing -GGG for instance was able to defend a fake title for years and years without a problem, but once he won a recognised title in the ring, he could only last three opponents before surrendering it.
How come hes crap at defending a title he wins but good hes given a fake one?

Two I hate GGG threads up at the same time. Have you taken over for John C in his absence in the mission to damn GGG to hell? Old GGG has fooled the experts. At age 38 his is still high on all important top 10 best pfp lists. That old rascal GGG is driving you. John and Uncle Al crazy.

[Smash]

i had to re read this thread a few times and it souunds even dumber everytime i read it