Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Hagler-Leonard, Gassiev, Ryan Garcia, More

[Oregonian]

Nope.

Morales beat Pacquiao, then lost to Raheem, then lost twice to Pacquiao. Check Boxrec.

The fact is El Terrible was not in his prime OR at his peak when Pacquiao beat him. And Pacquiao never went after Raheem either after he beat Morales.

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I was just about to respond to that guy. I can’t believe guys are trying to rewrite history. Despite the fact that we can verify everything in a matter of seconds.
Either that or they just don’t know shït about boxing and rely on their hate to make up shït

[BoxingTrav]

That's false. Morales lost to Raheem AFTER he lost to Pacquiao

He was 47-2, only losing to the HOF Barerra at the point he had lost to Pacquaio

Now, he wasn't at his peak, I agree, but peak & prime are different things, as Bread talks about regularly.



I never said I wanted Floyd to fight Oscar before 2007. Just that you can't say that it's a prime win over Oscar, because it's not.

He didn't beat in HOFs in their primes like other ATGs have. IS that all his fault? Maybe, maybe not. It's just a fact and has to be used as a criteria to judge his career.

Ali fought out of America BEFORE and AFTER his Vietnam exile.

He fought Chuvalo, London, and Mildenberger in their countries in the '60s.

He fought in Switzerland, Japan, Ireland, Zaire, Puerto Rico, and Germany when he came back.

He viewed himself as a boxing ambassador, that's why he fought all over the world.

You act like guys can only fight in the countries that they're from.

Mike Tyson fought Buster Douglas in Japan, and last time I checked, neither are Japanese.

There would've been nothing stopping Floyd from fighting Ricky Hatton in Wimbley or MEN.

He could've fought Cotto in Puerto Rico.

He could've fought Manny in the Phillippines if he wanted.

Or, he could've fought in South Africa or Canada or France anytime he wanted. HE wouldn't have needed guys from those countries to do that as the world's biggest Pay-Per-View draw.

I'm not saying he had to do that, but it's not like it was beyond the realm of his control.

Let's be real, he only fought in Las Vegas because he knew he would have complete control of the event and would get favorable treatment in every fight.

It's why Canelo loves fighting in Las Vegas too.

GGG, Cotto, Jacobs, Kovalev all had to fight him there.

And everyone knows that Canelo has a "home field" advantage in Las Vegas



Oh, I agree he wouldn't have run over Floyd at all.

These are two ATGs at 130, who would've had a great fight that either guy would've had a chance to win.

Chavez had problems with movers and Floyd had problems with guys who could get physical with him.

But let's not do the Floyd stan thing where we pretend that nobody in the history of boxing could ever touch him, which is what I was responding to.

He might've beach Chavez by decision or Chavez may have beat him up

You don't have to be a stan to think Floyd would beat Chavez. Floyd fought quite a few guys that were physical with him. Only Castillo made it close in Floyd's prime. Believe what you want but in between rounds 1 and 2 Floyd clearly complained about his shoulder. He proved the point in the rematch.

Whereas as Chavez needed a dramatic KO to beat Taylor, Sweet Pea put on a clinic and Randle put on a clinic and dropped him. I give JCC props for winning rematches against Taylor and Randle though even though against Randle, I didnt like how that ended.

But Floyd beats JCC to me

[The D3vil]

You don't have to be a stan to think Floyd would beat Chavez. Floyd fought quite a few guys that were physical with him. Only Castillo made it close in Floyd's prime. Believe what you want but in between rounds 1 and 2 Floyd clearly complained about his shoulder. He proved the point in the rematch.

Whereas as Chavez needed a dramatic KO to beat Taylor, Sweet Pea put on a clinic and Randle put on a clinic and dropped him. I give JCC props for winning rematches against Taylor and Randle though even though against Randle, I didnt like how that ended.

But Floyd beats JCC to me

I never said you have to be a Floyd stan to think he beats JCC. I absolutely believe he might be the favorite in the fight.

What I said was that to think he had no shot and Floyd's untouchable is the stan position.

I think it's pretty close to a 50/50 fight, personally.