Why did GGG give up the 11th and 12th round in Canelo rematch?

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  • TonyGe
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    #31
    Originally posted by Uncle Al..varez
    After Round 10 was finished GGG picked up his wind of confidence. He was even in momentum after the 1min in Round 11, but then he let Canelo do his thing for the remaining 2minutes with walking him and hitting to the body. GGG looked impressive on the back foot trying every effort to extend his power jabs but Canelo would still land the better shots.

    Then Round 12 happens, and yet again, these guys going at it like crazy, but Canelo lands some nice follow up 1-2’s and lands on the body. GGG shows impressive defense and offense while still landing hard shots. Remaining 30 seconds and Canelo closes the show, he even tells GGG to “bring it on” as Gennadiy is on the flee.

    Round 12 could’ve been a swing round, but Canelo in 11-12 imposed his will pushing forward and still landing.

    Moretti had it correct, 115-113 made a lot of sense. GGG picked up in the middle, but Canelo had the best performance from the two.
    Out of curiosity how did you score the first fight??

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    • Thuglife Nelo
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      #32
      Originally posted by TonyGe
      Out of curiosity how did you score the first fight??
      I had it a Draw. Canelo was going to exercise his immediate rematch should he have lost. That’s the reason why the fight looked like a sparring session. That’s the only explanation I could deduce from both of their performances. GGG said he was going to fight “real Mexican style” yet didn’t throw any body shots and just flicked range finders. Canelo was trying to be like SRL vs Hagler. Still had the better shots throughout the fight, but he could’ve done more.

      Conclusion, both of these guys performed unorthodox knowing they were going to make another biggest payday in boxing in the rematch. There’s a lot of truth when fans say it was a sparring match. They’re not saying that to joke, you could easily apply that it was. Too many feel-out rounds. Was fun to watch though imo.

      This is why in the rematch they had to put their first fight antics behind.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Boxing_1013
        Yeah I noticed that too...I noticed two (maybe three, I wasn't exactly counting just those) solid clean scoring body shots for Canelo in that round...saying he was dominating to the body in that round is a stretch.



        I don't know why you get so emotional about it man...I watched it again, without sound, as I always do

        And again, the only way someone can give that round to Canelo for me is if you ignore a lot of GGG's work...that was a 3/2 round for him which is a clear round...meaning he did 1.5x damage in that round compared to Canelo...he just landed more shots and they both landed about as hard as the other when they did land.

        There was a point about halfway through the round where GGG landed like 6 or 7 good clean scoring shots on Canelo unanswered...how can you overlook that? The rest of the round was about equal apart from that stretch. Like just keep it real man, come on....give both guys props when due, they deserve it when they step in the ring.



        what absolute fkn bullshlt LMAO

        do you still think that Hypekin is better than Duran... ? looooooool

        that was a clear round for Canelo, he backed up Golovkin, outboxing him and catching him with CLEAN HARD counters... Golovkin's pushed/prodding jabs that do not land cleanly are not effective and are not official scoring criteria

        like I said, landed punches were likely similar... but Canelo OBVIOUSLY landed the cleaner/harder shots, which is why he won the round according to the judges... Golovkin was fighting to survive and catch his breath, he looked tired as hell in the first half of that round
        Last edited by aboutfkntime; 05-04-2020, 04:37 PM.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Lance98
          That's because ggg was tired and doesn't have the will to KO canelo. He was cautious of getting countered because that so called "rally" of his in the 10th round was also very reckless and he was reaching a lot, draining more stamina and canelo was avoiding most of the punches. If he does the same predictable thing again, he would get countered hard.


          at least you saw what happened

          Golovkin could have been run over by a train and these ***wits would still insist he won the round lol

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            #35
            Originally posted by aboutfkntime
            what absolute fkn bullshlt LMAO

            do you still think that Hypekin is better than Duran... ? looooooool

            that was a clear round for Canelo, he backed up Golovkin, outboxing him and catching him with CLEAN HARD counters... Golovkin's pushed/prodding jabs that do not land cleanly are not effective and are not official scoring criteria

            like I said, landed punches were likely similar... but Canelo OBVIOUSLY landed the cleaner/harder shots, which is why he won the round according to the judges... Golovkin was fighting to survive and catch his breath, he looked tired as hell in the first half of that round
            your scorecard for floyd-pac? here i'll even give you a head start that you can copy paste well that was different because...

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              #36
              Originally posted by Godsfly
              The problem with the fanboys is that they want to give g credit for stuff that doesn't deserve credit......canelo moved up to 160 when he had little to no experince fighting at 160 and made the first fight razor close and then beat golovkin in the rematch. U have fans saying well look at what g did I thought he eeked this round or that round remember canelo was suppose to get knocked out because he was moving up to fight golovkin not the other way around so why are u telling me about a freaking round that golovkin may have eeked........golovkin was suppose to be one of the greatest middleweights of all time in their mind. Canelo went up and made him look very ordenery and beat him. And yes it speaks to canelos greatness........
              couple problems here. canelo actually moved down to fight ggg not up and second a round should be scored based on who did better in that round not who was supposed to knock the other guy out or any pre fight preconceptions. when you score like that you get in trouble because you just fall into your own bias. well canelo was supposed to get knocked out and he didnt so...ggg was supposed to destroy him and hes not so....

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                #37
                Originally posted by daggum
                your scorecard for floyd-pac? here i'll even give you a head start that you can copy paste well that was different because...



                it's a knowledge/understanding issue

                "Manny Pacquiao can take a punch, but a segment of his fans have a glass jaw.

                Pacquiao's backers took to social media to blast in-ring interviewer Max Kellerman for questioning Pacquiao — aka, doing his job — after the Filipino fighter said he thought he won Saturday's fight against Floyd Mayweather.

                "You thought you won the fight," an incredulous Kellerman asked after Mayweather won in a unanimous decision, 118-110, 116-112, 116-112. "Why?"

                When Pacquiao said Mayweather "didn't do nothing," Kellerman continued, "But he had to be hitting you with something because you weren't attacking him with the same kind of ferocity that we sometimes see you attack. Was he not doing something to keep you off?
                "

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by aboutfkntime
                  it's a knowledge/understanding issue

                  "Manny Pacquiao can take a punch, but a segment of his fans have a glass jaw.

                  Pacquiao's backers took to social media to blast in-ring interviewer Max Kellerman for questioning Pacquiao — aka, doing his job — after the Filipino fighter said he thought he won Saturday's fight against Floyd Mayweather.

                  "You thought you won the fight," an incredulous Kellerman asked after Mayweather won in a unanimous decision, 118-110, 116-112, 116-112. "Why?"

                  When Pacquiao said Mayweather "didn't do nothing," Kellerman continued, "But he had to be hitting you with something because you weren't attacking him with the same kind of ferocity that we sometimes see you attack. Was he not doing something to keep you off?
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                  actually its a hypocrisy/fanboy issue

                  you literally just said pushed/grazing jabs dont count as scoring criteria so just wondering how you scored that fight when that was almost exclusively what floyd did to pac while pac landed the much harder cleaner head snapping punches.

                  citing a max kellerman quote about how pac didnt fight up to his own preconceived notions doesnt really tell us much now does it? it tells us how max thought pac would fight but doesnt tell us what actually happened in the fight. max thought pac would be ferocious...and when he wasnt max scored the fight for floyd but thats certainly not a scoring criteria. 1. clean punches. 2 defense. 3. is pac ferocious enough?

                  just wondering why you changed your scoring criteria so quickly in a matter of 2 posts? or are you going to claim floyd did land the better punches? if so we can go to the video for that but ill wait for that one. please help me understand your great knowledge of boxing and how floyds lil grazing jabs were better than pacs head rocking shots. i really want to learn this! then after i learn i can just turn it back around on you and you will admit ggg beat canelo! oh wait then it goes back to the other way wow how weird is that. so once again ill give you a head start its different because...
                  Last edited by daggum; 05-04-2020, 05:46 PM.

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                    #39
                    why would you quote someone else when someone asks you to explain yourself? why did floyd beat pac? because max kellerman said he did? oh wow well that means everything! his whole framing is completely and totally biased and you can't even see it. he must have been doing something to keep you off him! why is the onus on pac to get to floyd? already his bias is getting the better of him. it was a boxing match. pac landed the better punches. why not just let that be the story? instead he had to make up something to explain why floyd won. pac was not ferocious enough on the ferocious meter!

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Uncle Al..varez
                      After Round 10 was finished GGG picked up his wind of confidence. He was even in momentum after the 1min in Round 11, but then he let Canelo do his thing for the remaining 2minutes with walking him and hitting to the body. GGG looked impressive on the back foot trying every effort to extend his power jabs but Canelo would still land the better shots.

                      Then Round 12 happens, and yet again, these guys going at it like crazy, but Canelo lands some nice follow up 1-2’s and lands on the body. GGG shows impressive defense and offense while still landing hard shots. Remaining 30 seconds and Canelo closes the show, he even tells GGG to “bring it on” as Gennadiy is on the flee.

                      Round 12 could’ve been a swing round, but Canelo in 11-12 imposed his will pushing forward and still landing.

                      Moretti had it correct, 115-113 made a lot of sense. GGG picked up in the middle, but Canelo had the best performance from the two.
                      Because he was exhausted from the body attack my Conelo. I fawking hate him with a passion but he won the second fight

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