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Their wins vs loses ?
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Depends who they have fought.
You can be 29-0 and be sh**. Ask Arnold Gjergjaj...
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You'd need a little more to go on than that. There's something like 22,800 active professional boxers in the world and probably something like 1 in 20 or fewer will ever even grace our TV screens... if you really mean average average go onto Boxrec set a search for P4P 'active' 'world'... last page tells you there's 22817 boxers. Go to #11408 and see what you get...
it's this guy right here... Brayan Flores, he's also a Welterweight, which happens to be the modal division (the one with most boxers in) by fortuitous circumstance.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/716797
6(2) - 11(8) - 1
If you mean "what does NSB consider an 'average' record?" then that's a different question altogether. You'll see legit top 10 guys, even titleholders sometimes being described as 'bums' on here and P4Pers called 'average', so I'd say it really depends on what company you're keeping.
Televised fighters, the guys that grace our screens on the regular usually have winning records by a good margin, mostly are old enough to have built up a least a passable resume and had a decent number of fights and most have probably taken a loss or two... I'm pulling this outta my ass, but something like 28(20) - 3(1) - 1 would be entirely the sorta record I'd expect to see on a fighter on the main or second main billing of a significant card. But - a guy who makes it as far as a headline slot on a televised card is not in any way 'average' for the sport as a whole... they represent the cream of the crop, the top coupla % of boxers in the world, no matter how they might be refered to by us jaded boxing afficianados.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 05-02-2020, 11:04 AM.Comment
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Eye of the tiger, 7 inch single. Actually thats a great song. Well above average.Comment
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Flores would be the "median" boxer on the list, but would he be the "average" boxer (i.e. have the average record)?You'd need a little more to go on than that. There's something like 22,800 active professional boxers in the world and probably something like 1 in 20 or fewer will ever even grace our TV screens... if you really mean average average go onto Boxrec set a search for P4P 'active' 'world'... last page tells you there's 22817 boxers. Go to #11408 and see what you get...
it's this guy right here... Brayan Flores, he's also a Welterweight, which happens to be the modal division (the one with most boxers in) by fortuitous circumstance.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/716797
6(2) - 11(8) - 1
If you mean "what does NSB call an 'average' record" then that's a different question altogether. You'll see legit top 10 guys, even titleholders sometimes being described as 'bums' on here and P4Pers called 'average', so I'd say it really depends on what company you're keeping.
Televised fighters, the guys that grace our screens on the regular usually have winning records by a good margin, mostly are old enough to have built up a least a passable resume and had a decent number of fights and most have probably taken a loss or two... I'm pulling this outta my ass, but something like 28(20) - 3(1) - 1 would be entirely the sorta record I'd expect to see on a fighter on the main or second main billing of a significant card. But - a guy who makes it as far as a headline slot on a televised card is not in any way 'average' for the sport as a whole... they represent the cream of the crop, the top coupla % of boxers in the world, no matter how they might be refered to by us jaded boxing afficianados.Comment
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Course you're absolutely correct, I didn't really think it through but that was the nearest approximation that easily came to mind. To find the average record would require you to add up the Wins, losses and Draws for every fighter and divide each result by the total number of fighters.... I don't mind a little work in the name of satisfyting my curiosity but that's a little step further than I'm willing to go......
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'Less we got someone of a mathematical bent who can come up with a good approximation more easily using statistical shortcuts? Guessing you'd need to take a statistically significant sample size etc... probably be easy enough if you access to the actual raw data on the Boxrec database though. Ummm. Lemme think about that a bit... Guess you could take a random sample easy enough just based on the Boxerec #s, but how many?
....damn you.
EDIT: And now you got me looking up confidence intervals and confidence levels and standard deviations...
Ok... not sure I got this absolutely correct but I reckon that if you picked 96 records at random and averaged the W / L / D you'd end up with a 95% chance of being within 10% of the average record for the entire population (of pro boxers). I'd have to be real bored before I actually crunched the numbers though...
18947 14900 1479 14312 499
21896 19085 16725 22698 19538
3430 10854 11212 7324 20428
19438 2943 18362 7271 17723
348 10546 15467 5587 18989
6835 15525 17456 199 6800
18566 12300 19220 19937 406
21843 1156 1774 5147 4773
2717 8831 4367 8885 11687
21285 11437 9887 10228 8679
17016 9853 9968 18755 7686
3462 21140 5130 12787 16229
1671 19368 15074 16907 9003
1630 15247 4838 20985 22690
1142 22620 6209 12554 902
209 16980 10347 19643 5564
12933 6274 15829 13426 2284
16807 13596 15078 13026 15541
22103 4014 17797 7381 10754
1136 4554 11685 14004 6436
Match the 96 random numbers generated above to the record #s on the Boxrec global P4P list (linked below) and you're good to go I reckon.
https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bco...tus%5D=a&r_go=
A quick scan has Lonnie B... a guy I'm quite fond of for what it's worth, as the highest ranker at #199 p4p (though the ordering is kinda irrelevent for this purpose) his record is 22-5-0, next is Wlod at #209, 58-4-1, #348 Hironori Mishiro 9-0-1, then #406 Felix Verdejo 26-1-0, then #499 Cristofer Rosales at 29-5-0 etc, etc... do that 91 more times and average 'em and you're there.
Taking an average of just those 5, all of whom are in the top coupla percentiles of the boxing world you get
29 - 3 - 0
(28.8) - (3) - (0.4)
Which is actually pretty close to my estimate for a televised level fighter a coupla posts above.
I'm pulling this outta my ass, but something like 28(20) - 3(1) - 1 would be entirely the sorta record I'd expect to see on a fighter on the main or second main billing of a significant card.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 05-02-2020, 02:01 PM.Comment
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The average boxer has 15 wins an d 15 loses and 1 draw.. It's not possible for the big majority of boxers to have 95 percent wins. For every winner in a fight there is a loser unless it is a draw. You don't hear much about average boxers because they are not contenders. Contenders with very few loses are much better than average. For them to have near perfect records there must be average fighters around to lose to them. Every fighter can't have mostly wins. It is not possible.Comment
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I have no ****ing clue.....who watches average boxers?
I mean, it'd be hard to do wouldn't it? Keep up with guys who never make it big? Below average would mean going to club fights and **** like that wouldn't it? Not even televised for the most part. Hell, i'm not sure there are enough normies on TV to actually get a handle on what a regular, middle of the road, fighter actually pans out to.
Top tens and big names are hard enough to keep up with. There are what like 20 divisions? 4 bodies? I'd be interested in the average fellas, but, seems like work just to try.Comment
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