What is an AVERAGE boxer Record ?

[ruedboy]

Course you're absolutely correct, I didn't really think it through but that was the nearest approximation that easily came to mind. To find the average record would require you to add up the Wins, losses and Draws for every fighter and divide each result by the total number of fighters.... I don't mind a little work in the name of satisfyting my curiosity but that's a little step further than I'm willing to go.. ....


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'Less we got someone of a mathematical bent who can come up with a good approximation more easily using statistical shortcuts? Guessing you'd need to take a statistically significant sample size etc... probably be easy enough if you access to the actual raw data on the Boxrec database though. Ummm. Lemme think about that a bit... Guess you could take a random sample easy enough just based on the Boxerec #s, but how many?



....damn you.

EDIT: And now you got me looking up confidence intervals and confidence levels and standard deviations...


Ok... not sure I got this absolutely correct but I reckon that if you picked 96 records at random and averaged the W / L / D you'd end up with a 95% chance of being within 10% of the average record for the entire population (of pro boxers). I'd have to be real bored before I actually crunched the numbers though...

https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm

https://www.random.org/integers/

18947 14900 1479 14312 499
21896 19085 16725 22698 19538
3430 10854 11212 7324 20428
19438 2943 18362 7271 17723
348 10546 15467 5587 18989
6835 15525 17456 199 6800
18566 12300 19220 19937 406
21843 1156 1774 5147 4773
2717 8831 4367 8885 11687
21285 11437 9887 10228 8679
17016 9853 9968 18755 7686
3462 21140 5130 12787 16229
1671 19368 15074 16907 9003
1630 15247 4838 20985 22690
1142 22620 6209 12554 902
209 16980 10347 19643 5564
12933 6274 15829 13426 2284
16807 13596 15078 13026 15541
22103 4014 17797 7381 10754
1136 4554 11685 14004 6436


Match the 96 random numbers generated above to the record #s on the Boxrec global P4P list (linked below) and you're good to go I reckon.


https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r%5Bco...tus%5D=a&r_go=


A quick scan has Lonnie B... a guy I'm quite fond of for what it's worth, as the highest ranker at #199 p4p (though the ordering is kinda irrelevent for this purpose) his record is 22-5-0, next is Wlod at #209, 58-4-1, #348 Hironori Mishiro 9-0-1, then #406 Felix Verdejo 26-1-0, then #499 Cristofer Rosales at 29-5-0 etc, etc... do that 91 more times and average 'em and you're there.

Taking an average of just those 5, all of whom are in the top coupla percentiles of the boxing world you get

29 - 3 - 0
(28.8) - (3) - (0.4)

Which is actually pretty close to my estimate for a televised level fighter a coupla posts above.

Sounds like your a numbers guy (all your passwords are probably numbers lol)
Anyway your first estimate was pretty close and a better average record than I would have thought.
Whenever I think about averages, I always remember that line about Bill Gates walking into a bar and all of a sudden the average income of every patron in the place makes them a multimillionaire.

[Citizen Koba]

Sounds like your a numbers guy (all your passwords are probably numbers lol)
Anyway your first estimate was pretty close and a better average record than I would have thought.
Whenever I think about averages, I always remember that line about Bill Gates walking into a bar and all of a sudden the average income of every patron in the place makes them a multimillionaire.

I have got a bit of a numbers head but mainly I just got curiosity and one em brains that once it's thought of a question has to have an answer... I just can't leave shit alone cos it's always bugging me til I figure it out or at least figure how to figure it out. Do a lot of repairs too FWIW that kinda thing, cars, white goods, electronics, whatever... I just like pulling stuff apart, figuring how it works and putting it back together.

What was more surprising to me was the depth of knowledge I've actually accumulated at boxing over the last decade or so of following it closely... I mean , that was 5 guys picked entirely at random out of the top 500 per Boxrec and yet I could tell you a bit about four of 'em, their styles and a coupla of their notable fights except for the young Japanese kid with the 9 - 0 record who I hadn't really heard of. If someone had told me you could pick 5 boxers at random from the top 500 and I'd know that much about 'em I woulda said not a damn chance...

[Citizen Koba]

The average boxer has 15 wins an d 15 loses and 1 draw.. It's not possible for the big majority of boxers to have 95 percent wins. For every winner in a fight there is a loser unless it is a draw. You don't hear much about average boxers because they are not contenders. Contenders with very few loses are much better than average. For them to have near perfect records there must be average fighters around to lose to them. Every fighter can't have mostly wins. It is not possible.

Thing is I'm guessing there's quite a high turnover at the lower end... say a club / sports center level guy loses 4, 5 fights in a row he thinks - eff this crap, I'm gonna get a day job that'll actually pay my bills, so they walk and some young kid who thinks he's hot shit after going 3 - 0 comes in and takes his place at the bottom of the pile. Outside of the professional journeymen brought in to lose but not get hurt (like my ATG fave Kristian Laight) there won't by all that many guys who stay on too long with big losing records so you might find it doesn't actually balance out as neatly as you might imagine... I may actually crunch the numbers at some point but that's my hunch.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You'd need a little more to go on than that. There's something like 22,800 active professional boxers in the world and probably something like 1 in 20 or fewer will ever even grace our TV screens... if you really mean average average go onto Boxrec set a search for P4P 'active' 'world'... last page tells you there's 22817 boxers. Go to #11408 and see what you get...

it's this guy right here... Brayan Flores, he's also a Welterweight, which happens to be the modal division (the one with most boxers in) by fortuitous circumstance.


https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/716797


6(2) - 11(8) - 1


If you mean "what does NSB consider an 'average' record?" then that's a different question altogether. You'll see legit top 10 guys, even titleholders sometimes being described as 'bums' on here and P4Pers called 'average', so I'd say it really depends on what company you're keeping.

Televised fighters, the guys that grace our screens on the regular usually have winning records by a good margin, mostly are old enough to have built up a least a passable resume and had a decent number of fights and most have probably taken a loss or two... I'm pulling this outta my ass, but something like 28(20) - 3(1) - 1 would be entirely the sorta record I'd expect to see on a fighter on the main or second main billing of a significant card. But - a guy who makes it as far as a headline slot on a televised card is not in any way 'average' for the sport as a whole... they represent the cream of the crop, the top coupla % of boxers in the world, no matter how they might be refered to by us jaded boxing afficianados.

You have to admire those type of fighters 'The professional journey men' but maybe in his mind? He is not a journey man at this stage in his career.

[Citizen Koba]

You have to admire those type of fighters 'The professional journey men' but maybe in his mind? He is not a journey man at this stage in his career.

Good stuff, man, I find that kinda thing fascinating... got another great article on the journeyman's journeyman - world record holder Kristian Laight (who's actually mentioned in that video) which is saying very much the same kinda things. Thing is you actually gotta be fairly good to lose week in and week out without ever getting hurt enough that you can't fight the next week... and like Kristian says the last thing you wanna be doing is turning up and embarrrassing some kid in the ring front of his drunk mates or whatever then having to face the consequences.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/kristian-laight-retires-boxing-journeyman-steve-bunce-column-a8520441.html

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/216597

[Rockin']

There's something like 22,800 active professional boxers in the world and probably something like 1 in 20 or fewer will ever even grace our TV screens...

I actually got to fight on tv 4 times. Twice as an am against Sugar Ray Leonards and Jimmy Ellis' team. It was them against team Michigan at the Palace of Auburnhills. Then my pro debut was televised in 6 countries, because of the headliner Eusebio Pedroza, a latin god type. My next bout I was a stand by at the Palace. This was a Usa Boxing telecast with Sean O'grady and Al Albert They normally have a few 4,6 or 8 rounders in front of the main. On this night they had 2 co-main events (two ten rounders), so if there was a ko I was on. Crazy fight that night though, I ended up the walk out bout. But I warred with the crazy tall cat from Africa. I was interviewed by Sean O'grady about the fight and this guys (my opponent) stat sheet was right out on the table. So I'm scanning it over he moved to Canada to fight and then I come acrossed his height, 6'-3". LOL, I'm like no way. That's gotta be a typo. We warred, lots of blood and stuff. He was a tall mfer. Anyway, got called back for the next show. Contracted a bad flu/lung infection and suffered a concussion in my last work out. I didn't even realize that I had a concussion. Fought anyway and then just walked away. 4 times on tv, it was awesome. Except that last one. That fight was miserable/horrible...….Rockin'