Prime Sergio Mora Rips GGG’s opponents

[ShoulderRoll]

He fought the best available opponent on many occasions and tried to a few more... all this strawman bullchit is mainly revisionism. Course there's a few holes and a few pointless filler matches but no more than with any other fighter, and less than many in similar circumstances. Only place Golovkins resume suffers really is by comparison with the true superstars of the sport with a big enough fanbase and profitability to get whoever they damn please in the ring. By regards to everyone else Golovkin's resume is actually very solid indeed. Will he go down as an ATG? Hell no, least not to my mind, but you got these dudes acting like beating more top 10 dudes than almost anyone else through the 'teens is just just 'average' and saying he won't even reach the HoF. These - the dudes like Scrappy Doo here - are the ones who have truly bought the false narrative.

And the Lara / Mora bullchit is just what it always was, a diversion. In fact it was basically just a narrative that originated with a coupla Haymon aligned Youtube channels but got happily seized upon by the dudes it suited. No-one had been thinking about Lara - Golovkin, and not just cos of the promotional barrier either, it was never the fight that everyone was calling for... it was just part of the wider campaign by SHO /Haymon to increase their market share by discrediting the oppositions 'product' and give HBO the final nudge they needed to send 'em out of boxing. Same reason Haymon picked up Chavez Jr and Stevenson who didn't fit in at all with his strategic plan of dominating just a few division from top to bottom. He justy wanted to deny HBO some of the biggest fights they could make for their latest 'stars'. Outperforming the opposition in business can be as much about devaluing what you're opponent has to offer as about increasing the desirability of your own product.

You gotta look at who benefitted from turning HBO from the 'Home of Champions' to the 'home of racists, frauds and hypejobs' that emerged in the middle years of last decade. That ish didn't just happen by accident.... Haymon's an excellent businessman and far better attuned to the marketing and business potentials offered by social media than conservative HBO boxing execs ever were perhaps due to his background in the far more volatile music industry.

You can't say on one hand that Golovkin didn't have the power to get people into the ring...then on the other hand dismiss Lara and Mora who actually wanted to get in the ring.

Can't have it both ways.

[TheCell8]

"Prime Mora" Is that the guy who went to a draw with Elvin Ayala or who struggled against Brian Vera?

[Citizen Koba]

You can't say on one hand that Golovkin didn't have the power to get people into the ring...then on the other hand dismiss Lara and Mora who actually wanted to get in the ring.

Can't have it both ways.

Both woulda been decent fights but both were with SHO and Haymon who HBO wasn't doing business with - we know this, it's why the Kovalev - Stevenson fight didn't happen in case folk forgot. Could Golovkin have demanded HBO get him Lara... well, perhaps... but like most fighters they just do what the guys who are paying ask 'em to. Ain't exceptional, ain't even unusual and I never heard of other fighters being called cowardly for something like that before. Certainly it ain't the silver bullet that proves Golovkin 'avoided stiff challenges', there's some fights you'd maybe go the extra mile to get but Lara ain't one of 'em... and yes, in part because he is tricky and won't make you look good. If it'd been anyone over at SHO or aligned with Haymon they woulda make the extra effort to get it woulda been Quillin, the actual Middleweight with the title, but for some reason he never gets brought up.

I ain't saying they couldn't have made some efforts to get other fighters or that his record is literally unasailable - in fact it ain't hugely strong given the regard in which he's held in some quarters, but it certainly ain't out of line with other top fighters of the decade and better that all but a few elites. Way folk talk you'd think he never fought a top 10 guy his whole career.

I get, the dude was overated, or at least never lived up to his potential so we don't really know what his ceiling might have been, but the subsequent backlash has taken it too far the other way... least on this forum.

[aboutfkntime]

You have to give this all up man. He fought and beat the best fighter he could face.

Golovkin ducked EVERYONE who posed the slightest threat


1) he made a bunch of silly excuses to avoid Sergio Mora in a showcase on HBO, preferring instead to fight a NO-HOPER in Monaco on free-TV

Mora was an ex-champ who had clearly faded, which is the ideal opponent for a young fighter attempting to establish himself on the world-stage..... boxing has always worked that way.....

NOT saying that Golovkin could not have beaten Mora, just that the Latin Snake is a known mover/spoiler who is notoriously difficult to look good against..... and they were not willing to risk failing to put Mora away, looking bad in the process, or..... worse

when I heard Loeffler stuttering and stammering his way through half-a-dozen silly excuses, I knew what was up..... that was ridiculous..... because insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not an unknown NO-HOPER on free TV who is WORSE

missing opportunities like that, and with guys like Cotto..... is why Golovkin only has 97k fans..... he needed those type of fights

2) they did the exact same thing to Lara and Ward, who are both also known mover/spoilers who are notoriously difficult to look good against.....

Lara would have been Golovkin's best opponent to date at that point..... and once again, insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not guys like Willie Monroe, Wade, Brook, etc.....

3) Ward..... they promised to fight Ward at 168..... a) they killed the fight in June 2015 by demanding a catchweight they knew would kill the fight..... b) in September 2015 they refused that fight in 36 minutes flat

4) the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160..... at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then a few months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo..... Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody would step up..... WTF???

those are the exact type of fights that Golovkin should have taken

5) they specifically promised to fight Canelo at 154..... but as above, when shht got real they tucked tail and ran from that fight..... and just like above, 6 months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154, but nobody would step up.....



6) Derevyanchenko - and Golovkin got stripped

7) Saunders..... why the fcuk would Golovkin select a total NO-HOPER in Vanes, when Saunders was running around with his "dream"..... calling him Pvssy-Borat.,.... and offering to fight him in June???

a unification > a mando, so Golovkin would not have been stripped for refusing to fight Derevyanchenko..... instead, Golovkin avoided TWO threats, selected an inactive JMW, and got stripped for his troubles in the process.....

the very second that Saunders said he was available, there was no other fight to make..... Munguia, Spike, and Vanes..... should never have been mentioned

..... come on, that is the 3rd most bizarre situation within the sport of boxing that I have ever witnessed..... two of those situations being created by Golovkin

8) Charlo - they said that fight " made no sense "

9) Andrade - they said that fight " made no sense "


if you think all of that happened by coincidence, you are a fkn dreamer

even when he selected Derevyanchenko... Charlo/Andrade were both better opponents, which is the only reason why Bullshltkin selected Derevyanchenko

[Lomadeaux]

Golovkin ducked EVERYONE who posed the slightest threat


1) he made a bunch of silly excuses to avoid Sergio Mora in a showcase on HBO, preferring instead to fight a NO-HOPER in Monaco on free-TV

Mora was an ex-champ who had clearly faded, which is the ideal opponent for a young fighter attempting to establish himself on the world-stage..... boxing has always worked that way.....

NOT saying that Golovkin could not have beaten Mora, just that the Latin Snake is a known mover/spoiler who is notoriously difficult to look good against..... and they were not willing to risk failing to put Mora away, looking bad in the process, or..... worse

when I heard Loeffler stuttering and stammering his way through half-a-dozen silly excuses, I knew what was up..... that was ridiculous..... because insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not an unknown NO-HOPER on free TV who is WORSE

missing opportunities like that, and with guys like Cotto..... is why Golovkin only has 97k fans..... he needed those type of fights

2) they did the exact same thing to Lara and Ward, who are both also known mover/spoilers who are notoriously difficult to look good against.....

Lara would have been Golovkin's best opponent to date at that point..... and once again, insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not guys like Willie Monroe, Wade, Brook, etc.....

3) Ward..... they promised to fight Ward at 168..... a) they killed the fight in June 2015 by demanding a catchweight they knew would kill the fight..... b) in September 2015 they refused that fight in 36 minutes flat

4) the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160..... at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then a few months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo..... Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody would step up..... WTF???

those are the exact type of fights that Golovkin should have taken

5) they specifically promised to fight Canelo at 154..... but as above, when shht got real they tucked tail and ran from that fight..... and just like above, 6 months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154, but nobody would step up.....



6) Derevyanchenko - and Golovkin got stripped

7) Saunders..... why the fcuk would Golovkin select a total NO-HOPER in Vanes, when Saunders was running around with his "dream"..... calling him Pvssy-Borat.,.... and offering to fight him in June???

a unification > a mando, so Golovkin would not have been stripped for refusing to fight Derevyanchenko..... instead, Golovkin avoided TWO threats, selected an inactive JMW, and got stripped for his troubles in the process.....

the very second that Saunders said he was available, there was no other fight to make..... Munguia, Spike, and Vanes..... should never have been mentioned

..... come on, that is the 3rd most bizarre situation within the sport of boxing that I have ever witnessed..... two of those situations being created by Golovkin

8) Charlo - they said that fight " made no sense "

9) Andrade - they said that fight " made no sense "


if you think all of that happened by coincidence, you are a fkn dreamer

even when he selected Derevyanchenko... Charlo/Andrade were both better opponents, which is the only reason why Bullshltkin selected Derevyanchenko

Dude what are you talking about? He fought the BEST. You saw the fight right?

[aboutfkntime]

Dude what are you talking about? He fought the BEST. You saw the fight right?

he cashed out with the best... after fighting strictly subpar competition, and ignoring anyone else who posed a threat... above, below, or at, 160... despite promising fans the contrary

[Lomadeaux]

he cashed out with the best... after fighting strictly subpar competition, and ignoring anyone else who posed a threat... above, below, or at, 160... despite promising fans the contrary

He BEAT the BEST possible fight that could be made....

[aboutfkntime]

He BEAT the BEST possible fight that could be made....

uh, no kid... he could not beat Canelo, and he could not get his game going in EITHER fight...
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/356831

at this point, you sound exactly like the other fanboy clowns

when you tried to cash in your betting slip, by insisting that Hypekin won... did the bookie laugh at you?

Golovkin cashed out with Canelo... after fighting strictly subpar competition, and ignoring anyone else who posed a threat... above, below, or at, 160... despite promising fans the contrary

dude, stop embarrassing yourself... the guy lied to his idiot fanbase, and failed to live up to his own hype

#anyonefrom154-168doe

[Lomadeaux]

uh, no kid... he could not beat Canelo, and he could not get his game going in EITHER fight...
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/356831

at this point, you sound exactly like the other fanboy clowns

when you tried to cash in your betting slip, by insisting that Hypekin won... did the bookie laugh at you?

Golovkin cashed out with Canelo... after fighting strictly subpar competition, and ignoring anyone else who posed a threat... above, below, or at, 160... despite promising fans the contrary

dude, stop embarrassing yourself... the guy lied to his idiot fanbase, and failed to live up to his own hype

#anyonefrom154-168doe

Bro... Pete drew to Chavez too...

Listen man, you can’t say these things to actual fighters. That’s what I’m getting at.

He beat the best possible fighter out there and the judges ****ed it up. There’s no argument who won that fight.

I’m just saying you need to chill.

[aboutfkntime]

Bro... Pete drew to Chavez too...

Listen man, you can’t say these things to actual fighters. That’s what I’m getting at.

He beat the best possible fighter out there and the judges ****ed it up. There’s no argument who won that fight.

I’m just saying you need to chill.

Timidkin blew it... especially in the rematch

you cannot beat a dynamic fighter like Canelo when you are afraid to let your hands go