Prime Sergio Mora Rips GGG’s opponents

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The fact is, whatever Golovkin did or does you would find a way to claim he is ducking xyz.
IF he fought Lara, it would be, 'Golovkin is bringing up guys from smaller weight classes, why is he not fighting guys his own size!?

Thats why its impossibile to even have a rational debate or conversation with people like you and the mentally ill freaks like aboutfkintime and robbie barrett. Who will constantly move the goal posts whatever happens. Its not only pathetic, but its really weird and sad.

I'm saying that Lara would have been a good opponent that Golovkin could have fought but didn't. Why would I not give him credit for having a better resume if he actually had faced him?

That makes no sense and is just you projecting.

Oh, and Golovkin did bring up guys from smaller weight classes like Vanes. So we are still claiming that about him anyway.

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I'm saying that Lara would have been a good opponent that Golovkin could have fought but didn't. Why would I not give him credit for having a better resume if he actually had faced him?

That makes no sense and is just you projecting.

Because you are a nationalistic race baiting fanboy? nothing you posts makes sense.

The very fact you claim Sergio Mora 'a slick southpaw' would of boosted his resume is laughable.
You are posting about how Golovkin ducked Lara and Mora and fail to mention how Golovkin was ducked by Sergio Martinez, Cotto, Felix Sturm & others.
Wouldnt they of improved his resume? Let me guess!....they never ducked him! It was Golovkin who was ducking Sergio Mora!!!!

Why dont you tell us all how Canelo never took PEDS again and is totally innocent?

nice edit: Why did that Vanes fight take place? Oh thats right because the Canelo rematch fell through because he failed x2 PED tests!

Let me guess what you will write next...Kell brook doe!
Why did that fight take place? oh thats right, because Chris Eubank failed to sign the contract at the last minute.

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I'm saying that Lara would have been a good opponent that Golovkin could have fought but didn't. Why would I not give him credit for having a better resume if he actually had faced him?

That makes no sense and is just you projecting.

Oh, and Golovkin did bring up guys from smaller weight classes like Vanes. So we are still claiming that about him anyway.

Lara would have been a decent opponent or at least certainly better than some others he faced.. woulda been a good fight and one I would have like to have seen, but according to Loeffler Lara wasn't 'on HBOs approved list'... HBO are the dudes who were paying for Golovkin's fights so if they didn't want it I'm not so sure that could have happened.

You could make the argument they shoulda pushed for it of course, and maybe they could despite the fact that 95% of fighters just go along with whatever their paymaster says, but this ain't Manny - Floyd we're talking about and an unmissable payday for all involved... in fact given the kinda paydays Golovkin's opponents were getting it's doubtful it could ever have happened. They couldn't find more than $1.5 mil for a middleweight champion but DeCubas made it clear Lara would be expecting waay more than $1 mil (he can get $1 mil for fighting Delvin)... HBO gonna pay more for Lara than a Lemieux PPV or Saunders? Once again it boils down to money - all very well criticising Golovkin's resume , and it ain't great - but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys as they say. As I've said earlier - and as should be perfectly obvious after they finally closed their doors after years of diminshing budgets - HBO were trying to make a superstar on a shoestring.

Way I see the world all fighters are just trying to make the best of the opportunities they got and the simple fact is not all fighters get the same backing or same opportunities. A dude who restarts his career almost from scratch with a minor belt, a minor promoter and $200K opponents at 30 years old never gonna be the kinda star that you get when a dude gets picked up by the biggest promoters in the world at 20 or 22 and groomed for stardom.

Ain't no heroes or villains, just a load of fighting men each trying to do the best they can in a cutthroat business.

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Lara would have been a decent opponent or at least certainly better than some others he faced.. woulda been a good fight and one I would have like to have seen, but according to Loeffler Lara wasn't 'on HBOs approved list'... HBO are the dues who wwre paying for Golovkin's fights so I'm not so sure that could have happened.

You could make the argument they shoulda pushed for it of course, and maybe they could, but this ain't Manny - Floyd we're talking about and an unmissable payday for all involved... in fact given the kinda paydays Golovkin's opponents were getting it's doubtful it could ever have happened. They couldn't find more than $1.5 mil for a middleweight champion but DeCubas made it clear Lara would be expecting waay more than $1 mil (he can get $1 mil for fighting Delvin)... HBO gonna pay more for Lara than a Lemieux PPV or Saunders? Once again it boils down to money - all very well criticising Golovkin's resume - and it ain't great - but if you pay peanuts you get monkeys as they say. As I've said earlier - and as should be perfectly obvious after they finally closed their doors after years of diminshing budgets - HBO were trying to make a supoerstar on a shoestring.

Way I see the world all fighters are just trying to make the best of the opportunities they got and the simple fact is not all fighters get the same backing or same opportunities. A dude who restarts his career almost from scratch with a minor belt, a minor promoter and $200K opponents at 30 years old never gonna be the kinda star that you get when a dude gets picked up by the biggest promoters in the world at 20 or 22 and groomed for stardom.

Ain't no heroes or villains, just a load of fighting men each trying to do the best they can in a cutthroat business.

The debate has been about how GGG has an underwhelming resume, and the excuse given is that no one wanted to fight him.

But when it gets brought up that certain guys DID want to fight him (Ward, Lara, Mora, Derevyanchenko instead of Vanes) there's always a new excuse as to why it was ok that he didn't face them.

It seems a little like moving the goal posts to me.

But as long as we reach the same conclusion that he picked and chose and acted like a businessman as much as anybody else then I guess we agree more than we disagreee.

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The debate has been about how GGG has an underwhelming resume, and the excuse given is that no one wanted to fight him.

But when it gets brought up that certain guys DID want to fight him (Ward, Lara, Mora, Derevyanchenko instead of Vanes) there's always a new excuse as to why it was ok that he didn't face them.

It seems a little like moving the goal posts to me.

But as long as we reach the same conclusion that he picked and chose and acted like a businessman as much as anybody else then I guess we agree more than we disagreee.

yeah... cept my argument has always been that guys didn't fight him not because they were scared of him or any ****** bullchit like that - none of these guys are afraid to fight each other - but simply cos he was never worth it to 'em. Why in hell should Maravilla fight Golovkin when he's got a Cotto payday, why on earth should Cotto fight him when he's got a Canelo payday lined up... that would be ****** and no-one should expect it, just as no-one should expect Golovkin to fight Ward when he's just been mandated to fight Cotto / Canelo... I literally can't think of a fighter in history who woulda chosen differently when faced with that decision.

But yes, as to the latter... absolutely. Just like everyone else, a businessman... and furthermore made a bit of an asshat of himself by criticising other fighters for doing just what he himself was doing. He might have had fewer options that the real money guys but he was playing the same game. That I think we can agree on.

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Crap, you're right. Why do I remember him as being one?

He was certainly slick, though. And did beat Proksa. Fairly easily too.

For the record, I'm not saying I was opposed to the fight, I just don't think it would've made any difference for his resume. This wasn't a fight that anyone really cared about and I don't see how Mora could possibly have won. To suggest Golovkin avoided the fight because of Mora's "style" is laughable.

The only reason why Golovkin detractors are claiming he ducked Mora is to make him look bad. If Golovkin had fought him and won, they'd use it as excuse to shit on Golovkin's resume and you know it. Maybe not you specifically but you know who I'm talking about.

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For the record, I'm not saying I was opposed to the fight, I just don't think it would've made any difference for his resume. This wasn't a fight that anyone really cared about and I don't see how Mora could possibly have won. To suggest Golovkin avoided the fight because of Mora's "style" is laughable.

The only reason why Golovkin detractors are claiming he ducked Mora is to make him look bad. If Golovkin had fought him and won, they'd use it as excuse to shit on Golovkin's resume and you know it. Maybe not you specifically but you know who I'm talking about.

This - there's absolutely nothing wrong with Mora as a solid make do opponent but he's of no different a level than guys like Monroe who GGGs been absolutely slated for... And once again I can't even see that it's relevant, people seem to fotget the cold War that was going on during the period. HBO might do business across the street for a mega-fight or when it was obligated for a mando (Wade, and Al made sure that HBO were gouged for that debacle )... but no way there were working with Al for a who cares kinda opponent like Mora.. Claiming that anyone cared enough to avoid Sergio just makes no sense whatsoever.

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This - there's absolutely nothing wrong with Mora as a solid make do opponent but he's of no different a level than guys like Monroe who GGGs been absolutely slated for... And once again I can't even see that it's relevant, people seem to fotget the cold War that was going on during the period. HBO might do business across the street for a mega-fight or when it was obligated for a mando (Wade, and Al made sure that HBO were gouged. for that debacle )... but no way there were working with Al for a who cares kinda opponent like Mora.. Claiming that anyone cared enough to avoid Sergio just makes no sense whatsoever.

Agreed. It's a non-issue.

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For the record, I'm not saying I was opposed to the fight, I just don't think it would've made any difference for his resume. This wasn't a fight that anyone really cared about and I don't see how Mora could possibly have won. To suggest Golovkin avoided the fight because of Mora's "style" is laughable.

The only reason why Golovkin detractors are claiming he ducked Mora is to make him look bad. If Golovkin had fought him and won, they'd use it as excuse to shit on Golovkin's resume and you know it. Maybe not you specifically but you know who I'm talking about.

He called out Golovkin and was willing to fight him.

So whenever anyone says that no one wanted to fight GGG it's appropriate to bring him up as a counterexample.

Plus a lot of guys on here claim Proksa as a good win when defending the Golovkin resume. Mora fits right into that discussion too.

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Wasn't there a time when Mora sort of had the opportunity to fight Golovkin but he considered him high-risk, low-reward, thus didn't entertain the idea? Also, people need to understand that "calling" someone out doesn't really amount to much. We've seen plenty of guys that "called out" Golovkin but essentially **** the bed when things got more serious. Take these " call outs" with a grain of ****ing salt. Guys are much quicker to call him out now that he's not only lower-risk than he used to be, he's also higher reward as purses are much more inflated than they were when he was on HBO.