Comments Thread For: Spence: A 100% Focused, In My Prime, I Would Beat Mayweather!

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

People have conniption because guys like you will defend Golovkin's opposition then turn around and take shots at Floyd's opposition.

Nobody likes hypocrites with double standards.

This...

That moron tried to tell me GGG’s resume was on par with Sweet Pea’s.

No joke...😂

[JK1700]

Idk about totally shut down...and huge at 130 is different than huge at 147 man...Spence weighs 185 in between fights...Floyd is probably 30 pounds less than that...Spence would be about as big, strong, talented of a guy as Floyd faced...and a lefty to boot.


And he did bust Floyd up in sparring apparently...saying Spence has a chance is hardly a stretch...he is probably 2 or 3 weight classes above Floyd naturally

I thought both rematches were pretty much blow outs. I had the Castillo one 9-3 and Maidana 9-3 as well and Floyd gave late rounds away in both fights. I bring it up to say that both guys were on top of their game at the time and much heavier pressure fighters, and Floyd handled both of them well. Was Spence more talented than those guys? Maybe. Castillo was an absolute monster at the time. Beat Corrales and Casamayor years later who were both top fighters. He was an elite pressure fighter and had boxing skill as well.

I wouldn’t read much into sparring as anyone can have a good session especially when the guy is 37/38 and you’re 22/23. To me Floyd from 98-2007 and 2009-2015 were two different fighters with different mentalities. Don’t get it twisted he was still great but he said himself he lost a lot of passion for boxing later in his career. Whereas 98-2007 Floyd was hungry and a monster.

I think it’s a competitive fight but ultimately IQ is the difference and I’ve never seen a fighter adjust and adapt like Floyd. A lot of guys gave him trouble at times and had “moments” but nobody was ever able to sustain it and keep up with him from a ring IQ point of view.

Would be an interesting fight I think it would be pretty similar to the Cotto and Mosley fights. He would have a moment or moments but I don’t see it being a close one in the end.

[markther]

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I am not going to argue against you because I understand your point.

Just one correction. You said Floyd didn’t fight a prime Mosley and then say that Manny dominated a prime Mosley.

Here’s the thing, Manny fought Mosley right after Mosley had just been dominated by Floyd (just google it). So if Manny beat a prime Mosley who had just lost to Floyd, how is it that Floyd didn’t beat the same prime Mosley??? I’m going to guess you forgot that Floyd fought Mosley first?

Two, and this is important, a prime Mosley was the Mosley that fought Oscar is 2002. At that time Floyd was fighting at 130 so there was just no way Floyd and Mosley would have fought.

Even more important, after Mosley beat Fernando Vargas (twice), Floyd called him out and Mosley said he needed a tune up and needed to fix his tooth (google this).

Lastky, Cotto and Margarito were cheated at the scales by Manny with the catchweight BS. I think Manny would have still beaten them regardless.

And the “prime” Manny that you guys keep talking about was KO’d in his “prime” in 2012 by Marquez. A year before that, Floyd beat up Marquez. We’ve never seen Marquez beat up that way by anyone not named Floyd.

So we can speculate all we want. Manny in his prime or not would have lost to Floyd.

My original post was about Spence and Floyd and I stated that Floyd didn’t really beat anyone in their “prime” comparable to the skill set of Spence, who is in his prime. I stand by that. I don’t think their is (1) fighter on Floyd’s career resume that he fought while they were in their “prime,” that was on the same level as Spence right now.

[lizard_man]

Floyd from Marquez fight vs Spence from Brook fight

Not even fair. Mayweather lights him up like a Christmas tree.

[daggum]

People have conniption because guys like you will defend Golovkin's opposition then turn around and take shots at Floyd's opposition.

Nobody likes hypocrites with double standards.

ggg tried to fight everyone in his division during his prime. floyd didnt. yes floyd has a better overall resume because he's been i nthe game for 20 years but ducking and dodging the best fights will never be respected. ggg tried to fight martinez, cotto, canelo, saunders, etc...floyd made excuses not to fight prime marg, cotto, pac, etc...and you cant erase that from his record. division hopping to pick up old scalps and bringing small guys up was all he did for the majority of his career after castillo. he never planted himself in a division and said ok im taking on all comers. oh marg you are #1? lets fight. oh cotto yo are the new #1? lets fight. pac you are the new #1 guy? lets fight. it was no i cant fight him. i cant fight him. i cant fight him and eventually he just ran out of time and ran out of prime without the great wins a great fighter should have. sorry.

[daggum]

My original post was about Spence and Floyd and I stated that Floyd didn’t really beat anyone in their “prime” comparable to the skill set of Spence, who is in his prime. I stand by that. I don’t think their is (1) fighter on Floyd’s career resume that he fought while they were in their “prime,” that was on the same level as Spence right now.

prime floyd was struggling badly with judah so yeah anyone who says spence would be easy work or a domination is laughable. judah was coming off a loss to bum azz baldomir and people are trying to criticize spence for close fights against brook and porter? thats what happens when top guys square off. when a top guy cherry picks then you get the "domination" that they love . floyd himself knows that. thats why he didnt fight anyone prime after castillo. it was always division hopping picking off old guys, one win wonders, guys moving up. there were dominant guys on great runs and they were never fought

[Boxing_1013]

People have conniption because guys like you will defend Golovkin's opposition then turn around and take shots at Floyd's opposition.

Nobody likes hypocrites with double standards.

Well it's all relative isn't it...when you hype up UD wins over past their best greats, and diminish dominant KOs over good pros, I think you're off with your analysis...whether that is intentional or not, I do not know.

But a dominant win over a good pro is impressive to me...when someone does it 10+ times with no slip ups at all, it is impressive to me...that is the case for any fighter, if GGG happens to fit that mold, good for him...what Mayweather did was also impressive but not as impressive as some seem to want to make it.

To not factor in when he faced those guys, what version of those guys he faced, the manner in which he won (always performed well but not many dominant stoppages/KOs as he went up in weight, which is fine), where he always fought, any weight clauses etc.

I mean how can anyone say they keep it real and not factor all that stuff in...we all follow boxing and should know that a dominant win over a good pro is often times as good of a win as a good win over a past great shot old fighter, often times fighting above his best weight...just because you like one of those guys and don't like the other, or because one of those guys is from the US and one is from BFE, doesn't mean that you should evaluate them differently.

[ShoulderRoll]

Well it's all relative isn't it...when you hype up UD wins over past their best greats, and diminish dominant KOs over good pros, I think you're off with your analysis...whether that is intentional or not, I do not know.

But a dominant win over a good pro is impressive to me...when someone does it 10+ times with no slip ups at all, it is impressive to me...that is the case for any fighter, if GGG happens to fit that mold, good for him...what Mayweather did was also impressive but not as impressive as some seem to want to make it.

To not factor in when he faced those guys, what version of those guys he faced, the manner in which he won (always performed well but not many dominant stoppages/KOs as he went up in weight, which is fine), where he always fought, any weight clauses etc.

I mean how can anyone say they keep it real and not factor all that stuff in...we all follow boxing and should know that a dominant win over a good pro is often times as good of a win as a good win over a past great shot old fighter, often times fighting above his best weight...just because you like one of those guys and don't like the other, or because one of those guys is from the US and one is from BFE, that you should evaluate them differently.

Theres nothing "relative" about it.

Floyd's resume shits all over Golovkin's. Point blank.

[JK1700]

My original post was about Spence and Floyd and I stated that Floyd didn’t really beat anyone in their “prime” comparable to the skill set of Spence, who is in his prime. I stand by that. I don’t think their is (1) fighter on Floyd’s career resume that he fought while they were in their “prime,” that was on the same level as Spence right now.

Would you not say that Genaro Hernandez and Jose Luis Castillo were elite fighters in their prime? They had combined records of 83-5 at the time and both were considered the top fighters in all of their divisions at the time. Hernandez was 12-0 in title fights at 130 and Floyd beat him in his 2nd year as a pro. Castillo went on to win the lineal belt again after beating Lazcano, Casamayor and Corrales all after losing to Floyd. Like him or not you have to give him credit those were both great wins against top guys.

[HewJohnson]

I doubt he can even beat a 41 year old PAC now...