Bud Crawford-Manny Pacquiao fight is reportedly in 'tentative talks'

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lol. floyd duck VADA TEST in his entire career.

pac didn't duck any test it was just your imagination.

Pac did the extraordinary things that make him accused of being in peds while floyd got accuse of abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person was on PEDS and of course armstrong also use IV vitamins to pass the test.

Max kellerman a well known floyd nuthugger think that pac is the lb4lb GOAT, barrera, morlaes, dela hoya, diaz and other boxing legends already think that pac is the GOAT so your opinion is nothing compared to them..

It's not worth time going point for point as you just fabricate anything.

Good luck

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Floyd s career has more asterix than pacs. No rematches with his biggest name wins which were controversial in many levels. Not fighting in people backyards, ref help. Fighting past prime fighters who dropped from rankings soon after Floyd beat them, Apart from nelo, and Pac and jmm who he cheated scales with, all with no rematches

Pac beat all common opponents more dominant or more times, and they all say pac was better overall. Hard to make a case for floyd being better than pac. Hopkins is greater than jc also in most opinions. Same with pac with floyd

Besides DLH Floyd had zero close fights that needed rematch...??

Pac beat washed up versions of DLH, Mosley, Hatton, and Margs. Those are technically wins but not very meaningful.

Floyd beat better versions of DLH, Mosley, and Hatton albeit "less convincingly"...but he didnt need the judges help to beat JMM lol

And Floyd never got KTFO6 or lost UD to journeyman gym teacher

Yeah I'll take Floyd who DID accept drug testing and DID win every fight he had without any help from judging...a case can be made JLC 1 was a draw but Floyd avenged that in the rematch pretty clearly

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so you name a fight where floyd drained canelo and thats not an asterik? also floyd got busted for cheating. not pac. remember the whole tue thing? that's called cheating buddy. he was not drained. he took more than 10 times the amount for severe dehydration. i dont consider dropping 3 pounds severe dehydration do you? if politics werent involved he would have been busted. he also paid usada ten times more than their normal rate and now they are out of boxing because no one can trust them. im sure you consider all that completely normal stuff right? its pac who has the asterik but not the guy who got caught and had to pay off the org to clear him? thats pretty crazy spin

When did Floyd get busted for cheating?

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you just said floyd beating pac was better than anything pac had ever done so by your own logic jeff horn beating pac makes jeff horn better than pac right? i mean its such a great win for floyd it must be for horn! oh wait its different because...

Floyd beating Pac and Canelo are better accomplishments (individually or collectively) than anything in Mannys career.

Mannys best work was a 2-1 split with Morales, going 1-2-1 with JMM, beating shot and old WWs with rehydration clauses and catchweights, and beating C+/B- level Keith Thurman. I credit Manny for 3-0ing Bradley but Bradley is a good fighter last era...not great.

What am I missing?

Joe Horn had a career night against Manny and eeked out a competitive decision against a HOF fighter. Terrific accomplishment. Hes done nothing since except prove it WAS a FLUKE, but that doesnt change his performance or win.

Floyd never had those OFF nights where journeyman nearly beat him. Floyd didn't fight guys at career lows he fought them at career highs (Pac fought them at career lows).

Floyd's most vulnerable style was the Maidana and JLC style where you "rough up" and pretty much break the rules...that was most effective against Floyd. Floyd fought the best fighters with that style in the past 20 years in his weight class (Andre Ward would be the best).

Floyd had a better career and it's really not close when you consider PED use

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Besides DLH Floyd had zero close fights that needed rematch...??

Pac beat washed up versions of DLH, Mosley, Hatton, and Margs. Those are technically wins but not very meaningful.

Floyd beat better versions of DLH, Mosley, and Hatton albeit "less convincingly"...but he didnt need the judges help to beat JMM lol

And Floyd never got KTFO6 or lost UD to journeyman gym teacher

Yeah I'll take Floyd who DID accept drug testing and DID win every fight he had without any help from judging...a case can be made JLC 1 was a draw but Floyd avenged that in the rematch pretty clearly

They all say Pac best of era. Dlh, cott o said prime Pac beats floyd and Pac was the best overall. Jmm said Pac best of era. Hatton said Floyd needed Cortez to beat him. Does Pac beat washed up versions or is it pac just makes them look washed up and bad, whilst Floyd makes guys like maidana and Connor McGregor types look elite?

That only leaves ssm opinion. But do we need it?

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Yes. For money and glory. No different than any other fighter that stuck around when they should have retired.

Seriously? Pac just beat Thurman, I would hardly call that sticking around too long and Manny does a lot with his money for his country.

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They all say Pac best of era. Dlh, cott o said prime Pac beats floyd and Pac was the best overall. Jmm said Pac best of era. Hatton said Floyd needed Cortez to beat him. Does Pac beat washed up versions or is it pac just makes them look washed up and bad, whilst Floyd makes guys like maidana and Connor McGregor types look elite?

That only leaves ssm opinion. But do we need it?

What does it matter who said what? Pac ducked the fight in 2009 (during his supposed prime) because he wouldnt do drug testing. That tells you all you need to know. . .

Then Arum needed 9 months for Pacs cut to heal from JMM3

Then Arum needed to build an outdoor stadium to house the fight

When Manny finally accepted drug testing he took and lost an uneventful fight. It was closer than the judges had it but still clear

And Manny beat washed up versions. His wins over Bradley were excellent but Bradley is no ATG

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And Manny beat washed up versions. His wins over Bradley were excellent but Bradley is no ATG

His wins over barrera, morales and jmm,and citto, Hatton are excellent wins also. Not averages wins by any stretch.
Again, history will see that Pac made them look washed up whilst Floyd made hard work of them

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It's not worth time going point for point as you just fabricate anything.

Good luck

lol. who's fabricating? Pac was accuse of being on peds because of his unbelievable performance in the ring or floyd being accuse on peds because of his abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person is on PEDS and his most famous illegal IV the sam IV that Armstrong use to pass the test and that's all very well documented. lol. I know deep in your heart u knew that floyd is PED cheat but just don't want to admit it.

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I hope it happens. I give the edge to Crawford but it won't be a walk in the park. Pac is still dangerous despite his age.