Bud Crawford-Manny Pacquiao fight is reportedly in 'tentative talks'

[hugh grant]

Floyd's win over Pac and Canelo alone trump anything Pac has done.



Pac a beast but lots of his wins have asterisks. He avoided drug testing for almost 5 years which will not age well. Most hold RJJ with an asterisk as well as Mosley. Their peaks were very high but likely tainted. Same goes for Manny...high peak, refusal to steroids test, and an entire media platform ignoring his juicing...was hilarious.

Floyd s career has more asterix than pacs. No rematches with his biggest name wins which were controversial in many levels. Not fighting in people backyards, ref help. Fighting past prime fighters who dropped from rankings soon after Floyd beat them, Apart from nelo, and Pac and jmm who he cheated scales with, all with no rematches

Pac beat all common opponents more dominant or more times, and they all say pac was better overall. Hard to make a case for floyd being better than pac. Hopkins is greater than jc also in most opinions. Same with pac with floyd

[pasawayako]

I respect your opinion but also disagree.

Beating either Spence or Crawford at this point in his career puts him ahead for me...and that's even with the steroid use in 2009

Pac beating spence/Crawford will lut him in the GOAT status even by the hard core haters.

This is the difference between pac and floyd when it comes to steroid.

Pac was accuse of being on peds because of his extraordinary thing that he did in the ring while floyd was accuse of being in PEDS because of 3 failed test that sweep under the carpet, his abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if u r on PEDS and lastly his use of illegal IV that everone knows can mask the PEDS..

see the big difference between the two.

[Eff Pandas]

After seeing the number Manny pulled on Keith I'm feeling not as negative about Manny's chances vs ANYONE at 147 these days. Would still pick him to lose to Bud & Errol, but I think those fights are more competitive than I previously thought.

That said maybe I'm overrating Manny cuz I was also among those saying I thought Keith was half out of the game already since his injury + marriage layoff so I shouldn't feel THAT much better about Manny's chances vs Bud or Errol.

Also doesn't Manny still got 1 more PBC fight on his deal before he'll be able to decide to go to TR or DAZN to fight Bud or Mikey or whoever? Keep seeing articles about Manny vs non-PBC guys but I'd assume if Manny is still in a deal with PBC he'll be fighting a PBC guy next.

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Pac beating spence/Crawford will lut him in the GOAT status even by the hard core haters.

This is the difference between pac and floyd when it comes to steroid.

Pac was accuse of being on peds because of his extraordinary thing that he did in the ring while floyd was accuse of being in PEDS because of 3 failed test that sweep under the carpet, his abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if u r on PEDS and lastly his use of illegal IV that everone knows can mask the PEDS..

see the big difference between the two.

Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring.

Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate

Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ

[daggum]

Floyd's win over Pac and Canelo alone trump anything Pac has done[.

People get annoyed by the undefeated thing but that has a lot of value. And it's not like Floyd fought bums...he was in something like 32 championship fights...and was a 5 division champ with wins over future HOFers: Corrales (prime and undefeated), Genaro (lone loss to DLH), JLC twice, Corley, Judah, Hatton, DLH, Gatti, Mosley, Cotto, Canelo, Pac, and I prolly missed 5-7 more

Pac a beast but lots of his wins have asterisks. He avoided drug testing for almost 5 years which will not age well. Most hold RJJ with an asterisk as well as Mosley. Their peaks were very high but likely tainted. Same goes for Manny...high peak, refusal to steroids test, and an entire media platform ignoring his juicing...was hilarious.

Floyd is def ahead atm

so you name a fight where floyd drained canelo and thats not an asterik? also floyd got busted for cheating. not pac. remember the whole tue thing? that's called cheating buddy. he was not drained. he took more than 10 times the amount for severe dehydration. i dont consider dropping 3 pounds severe dehydration do you? if politics werent involved he would have been busted. he also paid usada ten times more than their normal rate and now they are out of boxing because no one can trust them. im sure you consider all that completely normal stuff right? its pac who has the asterik but not the guy who got caught and had to pay off the org to clear him? thats pretty crazy spin

[daggum]

Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring.

Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate

Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ

whoa we got a fanboy here! how about everyone is a cheater but floyd therefore by default floyd is the best. happy?

[GrandpaBernard]

Good fight if it happens. I think Thurman was manny’s one last great performance, but does he have greater longevity than I think

or will Crawford sprint off with the torch

[daggum]

Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring.

Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate

Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ

you just said floyd beating pac was better than anything pac had ever done so by your own logic jeff horn beating pac makes jeff horn better than pac right? i mean its such a great win for floyd it must be for horn! oh wait its different because...

[GrandpaBernard]

If manny makes this fight happen as a 41 year old, credit to him win or lose

[pasawayako]

Pac ducked steroid tests for 5 years while doing some incredible things in the ring.

Floyd has never failed a test and for whatever reason certain fans dont let go of the fact Floyd used vitamin IV infusion to rehydrate

Pac can never be GOAT. He got KTFO and lost UD12 to Floyd and Joe Horn. He also is 0-3-1 against JMM...combined with using steroids...hes not even an ATG on my list because I think he cheated...same goes for RJJ

lol. floyd duck VADA TEST in his entire career.

pac didn't duck any test it was just your imagination.

Pac did the extraordinary things that make him accused of being in peds while floyd got accuse of abnormal T/E ratio that can only happen if one person was on PEDS and of course armstrong also use IV vitamins to pass the test.

Max kellerman a well known floyd nuthugger think that pac is the lb4lb GOAT, barrera, morlaes, dela hoya, diaz and other boxing legends already think that pac is the GOAT so your opinion is nothing compared to them..