Is it possible that Derevyanchenko would’ve beaten GGG in 2018 replacing Vanes?

[satiev1]

******ed logic. They already fought and sergey lost.

[TonyGe]

This would’ve derailed the Canelo series innit?

He chose to get stripped in not fighting Derevyanchenko because Loeffler and Oscar were afraid that Haymon and DiBella would’ve stole Canelo’s win (GGG’s IBF and other titles) the way Ruiz did to AJ?

Or rather, unifications trump mandos. Why didn’t GGG fight BJS for Undisputed when he had the belt but decided to give it to the Jacobs vs Devry vacancy?

So, why does GGG need 2 fights, do his “mando” with Szeremeta when UNIFICATIONS trump mandos and not unify with Canelo’s Super WBA? Does GGG think he can beat Canelo in another year’s time, having another fight after Szeremeta before seeing Canelo? What are the real stipulations in GGG’s contract for fulfillment?

Of course it's possible Golovkin could have lost if he fought Derev on short notice. If not losing he could have suffered a bad cut, broken hand or some other injury that could have put the Canelo fight in jeopardy. Golovkin's team promised Derev they would fight at a later date for more money. That's exactly what happened.

[just the facts]

******ed logic. They already fought and sergey lost.

Not in the eyes of most boxing fans.

[just the facts]

Is it possible? Sure, Derv is a tough out for anyone.

[ShoulderRoll]

******ed logic. They already fought and sergey lost.

It's more accurate to say Sergey was robbed.

[aboutfkntime]

This would’ve derailed the Canelo series innit?

He chose to get stripped in not fighting Derevyanchenko because Loeffler and Oscar were afraid that Haymon and DiBella would’ve stole Canelo’s win (GGG’s IBF and other titles) the way Ruiz did to AJ?

Or rather, unifications trump mandos. Why didn’t GGG fight BJS for Undisputed when he had the belt but decided to give it to the Jacobs vs Devry vacancy?

So, why does GGG need 2 fights, do his “mando” with Szeremeta when UNIFICATIONS trump mandos and not unify with Canelo’s Super WBA? Does GGG think he can beat Canelo in another year’s time, having another fight after Szeremeta before seeing Canelo? What are the real stipulations in GGG’s contract for fulfillment?

there are some good replies in this thread, but my answer is...

none of the above

would Derevyanchenko have beaten Golovkin ? ... no idea

should Golovkin have taken that fight... as it turned out, yes

was there a MUCH better option available? ... YES, Saunders

FACT: a unification > a mandatory

fighting Saunders in June, was a total no-brainer...

FACT: that is exactly what Canelo would have done if the situations were reversed

first, Golovkin was all about that 154-168 bullshyt... but when those 154-168 fights came knocking, Golovkin suddenly decided that he was all about unifying the middleweight division... but when A GOLDEN WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF to unify at middleweight... suddenly Golovkin decided that he was all about the money

#disappointing
#underachiever

[Lance98]

GGG knows he would get demolished, and he didn't want to mess up the canelo bag, so he played safe and fought vanes. He cashed out, and would rather lose to canelo than chenko. He is a huge joke and a spineless jellyfish of a boxer.

[Thuglife Nelo]

there are some good replies in this thread, but my answer is...

none of the above

would Derevyanchenko have beaten Golovkin ? ... no idea

should Golovkin have taken that fight... as it turned out, yes

was there a MUCH better option available? ... YES, Saunders

FACT: a unification > a mandatory

fighting Saunders in June, was a total no-brainer...

FACT: that is exactly what Canelo would have done if the situations were reversed

first, Golovkin was all about that 154-168 bullshyt... but when those 154-168 fights came knocking, Golovkin suddenly decided that he was all about unifying the middleweight division... but when A GOLDEN WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED ITSELF to unify at middleweight... suddenly Golovkin decided that he was all about the money

#disappointing
#underachiever

Yeah I’m surprised nobody brought up BJS.

I guess I should’ve said, Loeffler and Oscar afraid of DiBella and Haymon having new titles with Devry, OR Warren and BT owning all the titles should they have beaten GGG.

I guess we’ll never know, but if HBO was able to persuade Loeffler and Oscar, then its rather sad that GGG sold his soul for the chance to unify all the titles and instead give Canelo another fight.

I find it really really odd and proves why behind the scenes everyone KNEW that Canelo’s PED fiasco was accidental. VADA assured all parties and HBO that meat contamination was the real case. GGG could’ve drifted away into retirement owning the controversy of GGG 1 and using the PED case against them, and simply go for the GOAL with BJS. This is how we know GGG and Abel knew it was accidental and why GGG said “it doesn’t matter for me (PEDS).”

And again, Canelo and anybody else wanting a shot with GGG wouldve had to see him assuming he beat BJS.

All roads led to GGG had he beaten BJS. That was the endgame for “wanting all the belts.”

[Citizen Koba]

Course it's possible, Sergei is a very good fighter and plenty of folk thought the he deserved the nod when they did fight last year.

Don't think a D'Chenko May 5th replacement was ever a likelihood though, if they had gone down that route it woulda been June at the earliest. The Vanes fight was a waste of time but equally when you wasted months on a training camp and associated costs I can kinda understand wanting to recoup it. I'm not sure a summer fight was ever a possibility anyway with the uncertainty over the Canelo situation, but even if it was the Vanes fight effectively ruled it out.

And whilst I think Sergiy may have been entirely willing to fight for the minimal purse on offer (he probably would got around $300k and GGG around 900K) I don't particularly hold it against GGG for not wanting to do so, and in hindsight I ain't sure Sergiy will be too unhappy with the way things turned out either, dude ended up with $5.2 mil instead of the paltry few hundred K he woulda got back in '18. As Loeffler said at the time:

Loeffler said Thursday that there isn’t an enough money available from HBO’s license fee for May 5 to properly compensate Golovkin or Derevyanchenko for such a difficult fight on short notice.

https://www.boxingscene.com/dibella-if-ggg-fight-derevyanchenko-give-up-ibf-belt--127122

WRT Saunders, who made an offer for a June fight - yeah if they hadn't gone the route of taking a pointless Vanes May 5th replacement that might have been a valid option depending on the specifics but in the event a deal was made for August, contigent upon the Canelo rematch not happening.

I'm seeing a coupla suggestions that Golovkin was avoiding Saunders despite having made him an offer in 2016 which appears to be maybe twice his biggest purse to date and at least equal to that of Lemieux which was a PPV, and having made a deal to fight him him in 2018.

I'm seeing the suggestion that he was avoiding Derevynchenko in 2018 yet he fought him in 2019.

[White Mandela]

He’d have beat Clenelo in 2019, that’s why he ducked him!