Comments Thread For: Haye: Joshua is Only One Who Has The Tools To Beat Fury

[Boxviewer]

It was a joke calm down, i clarified my position later on in the thread.

For what it's worth, i have Joshua the 3rd best fighter in the division, closely behind Wilder. He's a very good fighter, but he's not in Fury's league and everyone will find that out very soon.

I wonder what, the one trick pony, Wilder has done, apart from knocking out bums, that puts him ahead of AJ. He has been ducking all this while for a good reason. Fury is cherry pick that went terrible wrong; otherwise he would have been shouting how awfully good he was. If not the rematch clause, he would have been degraded to fighting top 20 guys after the humiliation in 2nd match. lol

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I am not convinced yet that Fury can do what he did to Wilder and Wlad. BTW, Wlad underrated Fury in that fight. That is why he wanted a rematch but Fury went psycho, though Wlad wasn't at his prime by then. AJ has shown that he has more tools that those two. He has developed his boxing significantly and he can mix things up pretty well at this stage in his career.

All said, the outcome of Fury - AJ fight is still a speculation. It will certainly be a very interesting and competitive match up. Both will be fight for legacy and will it all they have.

I don't think Wlad underrated him, he was a consummate professional and prepared for every fight like it was his last one. I think Fury's style was all wrong for him, and the fight was so one-sided i don't see anything to suggest that Wlad would've beaten him in a rematch at that stage in his career.

Another big issue re AJ and Fury is size. If Joshua comes in at his natural weight like he did against Ruiz the second time, he's more or less the same weight as Wilder who Fury recently mauled. If Joshua bulks up like he's done previously, then his stamina issues will return, especially with Fury doing what he does in the ring. Fury is naturally a bigger and stronger man, even if AJ punches harder.

I wonder what, the one trick pony, Wilder has done, apart from knocking out bums, that puts him ahead of AJ. He has been ducking all this while for a good reason. Fury is cherry pick that went terrible wrong; otherwise he would have been shouting how awfully good he was. If not the rematch clause, he would have been degraded to fighting top 20 guys after the humiliation in 2nd match. lol

It's all very well saying this and that about him in hindsight, but remember that he was the favourite to win against Fury before the second fight. Joshua's loss to Ruiz the first time pushed him behind Fury and Wilder imo, and just because Wilder lost to Fury, that doesn't mean he lost to Joshua.

That's just my opinion and i can see why some people will disagree.

[Corelone]

With one breath Fury fought nobody, and with the next Chisora is a test for anybody and Wlad is a great win for AJ. When is AJ coming back to America? Last we saw of him he was sneaking out of town.

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With one breath Fury fought nobody, and with the next Chisora is a test for anybody and Wlad is a great win for AJ. When is AJ coming back to America? Last we saw of him he was sneaking out of town.

Going life and death with Wlad but getting the stoppage is still AJ's best performance imo.

[Boxviewer]

I don't think Wlad underrated him, he was a consummate professional and prepared for every fight like it was his last one. I think Fury's style was all wrong for him, and the fight was so one-sided i don't see anything to suggest that Wlad would've beaten him in a rematch at that stage in his career.

Another big issue re AJ and Fury is size. If Joshua comes in at his natural weight like he did against Ruiz the second time, he's more or less the same weight as Wilder who Fury recently mauled. If Joshua bulks up like he's done previously, then his stamina issues will return, especially with Fury doing what he does in the ring. Fury is naturally a bigger and stronger man, even if AJ punches harder.

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It's all very well saying this and that about him in hindsight, but remember that he was the favourite to win against Fury before the second fight. Joshua's loss to Ruiz the first time pushed him behind Fury and Wilder imo, and just because Wilder lost to Fury, that doesn't mean he lost to Joshua.

That's just my opinion and i can see why some people will disagree.

It's not about being a professional but he has past his prime at the time he fought Fury. Yes, he might underrated Fury, such does happen often time when you have been beaten up opponents for so long. And that's why he wanted a rematch but for Fury to go psycho.

Comparing chicken legs Wilder strength with AJ's is a complete joke. Even at the same weight. Fury can't overwhelm AJ the way he did to Wilder because AJ is much stronger.

Regarding rankings, how is it possible to rank someone without belt above a unify champion? Besides, looking at the opponents they have fought it doesn't make sense at all. Wilder has been fighting bums all his career, other than the 45 years old Ortiz.

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It's not about being a professional but he has past his prime at the time he fought Fury. Yes, he might underrated Fury, such does happen often time when you have been beaten up opponents for so long. And that's why he wanted a rematch but for Fury to go psycho.

Regarding rankings, how is it possible to rank someone without belt above a unify champion? Besides, looking at the opponents they have fought it doesn't make sense at all. Wilder has been fighting bums all his career, other than the 45 years old Ortiz.

Wlad deserved a rematch and i feel sorry for him that he didn't get it, but Fury was genuinely in no position to fight, and before anyone starts he didn't make it up, he was talking about his mental issues back in 2011, see my thread from yesterday.

Rankings wise, i just don't put that much weight in all the abc belts. Joshua has indeed fought and beaten better opposition than Wilder, but that was a bad, bad loss to an unranked fighter, and even though he got the W in the rematch, i don't feel like he did it an an impressive way, especially against a guy who didn't do any training and imo, isn't on an elite level to begin with.

I missed your edit, yes Joshua is stronger than Wilder, but what does he do, come in bulked and risk gassing? or come in light and risk getting mauled? You can't deny that Fury is the naturally bigger and stronger man, especially the Kronk version.

Personally i feel for Joshua to beat Fury, he has to put it on him early and try and knock him out, simple as that.

I don't see any other way he beats him, and i don't see much, if anything Joshua does better than Fury. Fury has the physical advantages, he's got a better jab, better defence, better footwork, and he's so rangy and awkward, Joshua will have never seen anything like him in the ring before.

[Boxviewer]

Going life and death with Wlad but getting the stoppage is still AJ's best performance imo.

The same way Fury went life and death in his first fight against an overrated one trick pony Wilder and unknown boxer, Wallin.

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The same way Fury went life and death in his first fight against an overrated one trick pony Wilder and unknown boxer, Wallin.

Both fights in which he wasn't fit, yet still won the vast majority of rounds.

If Fury isn't fit and prepared, it's a much closer fight, if he is fit and prepared, he wins.

[Boxviewer]

Wlad deserved a rematch and i feel sorry for him that he didn't get it, but Fury was genuinely in no position to fight, and before anyone starts he didn't make it up, he was talking about his mental issues back in 2011, see my thread from yesterday.

Rankings wise, i just don't put that much weight in all the abc belts. Joshua has indeed fought and beaten better opposition than Wilder, but that was a bad, bad loss to an unranked fighter, and even though he got the W in the rematch, i don't feel like he did it an an impressive way, especially against a guy who didn't do any training and imo, isn't on an elite level to begin with.

I missed your edit, yes Joshua is stronger than Wilder, but what does he do, come in bulked and risk gassing? or come in light and risk getting mauled? You can't deny that Fury is the naturally bigger and stronger man, especially the Kronk version.

Personally i feel for Joshua to beat Fury, he has to put it on him early and try and knock him out, simple as that.

I don't see any other way he beats him, and i don't see much, if anything Joshua does better than Fury. Fury has the physical advantages, he's got a better jab, better defence, better footwork, and he's so rangy and awkward, Joshua will have never seen anything like him in the ring before.

If you don't much weight in abc, then you looked at their opponents have admitted AJ had fought better opposition, then what of use is the ranking system? AJ is a great warrior and he did what a great should have done to win a battle. To me all your assertion is based on sentiments.

AJ has made clear that he wants to fight the best, so doing he has fought all his mandatory, unlike Wilder who has been ducking Whyte and cherry picking his opponents. While AJ has been on a mission to unite the division Wilder just held on just one belt and got protected all this while.

Regarding AJ and Fury, I just want to see the clash so that all the speculations can be settled once and for all. May the best man win.

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If you don't much weight in abc, then you looked at their opponents have admitted AJ had fought better opposition, then what of use is the ranking system? AJ is a great warrior and he did what a great should have done to win a battle. To me all your assertion is based on sentiments.

AJ has made clear that he wants to fight the best, so doing he has fought all his mandatory, unlike Wilder who has been ducking Whyte and cherry picking his opponents. While AJ has been on a mission to unite the division Wilder just held on just one belt and got protected all this while.

Regarding AJ and Fury, I just want to see the clash so that all the speculations can be settled once and for all. May the best man win.

If AJ wanted to fight the best, he should've moved heaven and earth to make the Wilder fight, especially if they believed that Wilder was rubbish like the AJ fanboys say in hindsight, and i highly doubt that.

If Joshua had offered Wilder a straight 50/50 split, i believe Wilder would've accepted and the fight could've been made. Yes Joshua would've had to take a pay cut, and yes he would've been overpaying Wilder based on previous earnings.

However if Joshua wanted to dare to be great and unify all the belts, he should've taken the cut, swallowed his pride and forced Hearn to make the fight. It's not like he's short of a few quid anyway.

However i believe he was happy enough to keep doing what he was doing and raking in that dough, and i don't blame him from a business point of view.