Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Crawford, Trinidad-Mosley, Mayweather

[Death_Adder]

so fighting for an imaginary title that holds no significance ..doesn't count as a recognized title by the hall of fame is more significant that fighting the guy that what the long standing mw champion who had 3 real belts ? Lmaoo. I swear Canelo fans are nothing more than a big group of inbred ret@rds whose parents are 1st cousins.

You talking about Mayweather or Canelo? Because that's exactly what Mayweather did when he fought Baldomir.

1st rule of losing a debate is start insulting people.

Take your L idiot you're done.

[Death_Adder]

you had absolutely no validity to anything you posted and I easily dissected it. Btw, you know you fked up by commenting on my reply in this forum after debating with me in another thread. You just exposed the fact that you and death adder are the same person and it's your alt account. You just got confused and replied to the wrong thread bh accident. You're even more pathetic than bread said you were. You created more than 1 account to pretend that you had back up and that anyone else agrees with your simple minded argument. Lmaoooo checkmate ya goofy ass cornball.

I can guarantee I'm nobody's alt.

Another L.

[Jab jab boom]

Come on man, you're wrong here.

Canelo has one of the best resumes currently in boxing outside of Pac

There's no way possible for you to give G credit and hate on Canelo.

For starters, what win does G have that's better than Canelo's over Kovalev?

I'm not praising gggs resume at all. I'm just addressing the fact that Canelo didn't want to face him for nearly 2 yrs and has a tendency to chase the weakest and or most compromised champion in a division. Just like the names and situations I mentioned in my comment. This is known and fighting too fighters while they're in their prime Canelo doesn't do as often as he should. Look at the 9 biggest names /fights on his resume. 6 of those were against guys 35 and over. That's just what it is.

[Jab jab boom]

I can guarantee I'm nobody's alt.

Another L.

stop your lies. You're the same guy , the 2 of you have 15000 posts between you and 0 rep. Further proof that you're a moron and nobody respects your opinion, no matter which alt account you're on.

[Thuglife Nelo]

stop your lies. You're the same guy , the 2 of you have 15000 posts between you and 0 rep. Further proof that you're a moron and nobody respects your opinion, no matter which alt account you're on.

Death Adder is Jeison Rosario’s account. Get Widdit!

[Chollo Vista]

I'm not praising gggs resume at all. I'm just addressing the fact that Canelo didn't want to face him for nearly 2 yrs and has a tendency to chase the weakest and or most compromised champion in a division. Just like the names and situations I mentioned in my comment. This is known and fighting too fighters while they're in their prime Canelo doesn't do as often as he should. Look at the 9 biggest names /fights on his resume. 6 of those were against guys 35 and over. That's just what it is.

This isn't true either.

GGG was a diva. For instance, G wanted to fight Rosado at a catchweight of 157, wanted to fight Floyd at 154 and wanted to fight Ward at 164, but acted like a diva with Canelo. There were so many inconsistencies, many of which driven by GGG.

Mayweather gave into DLH's demands in order to get the fight (Ring size, glove size, weight, etc).

As did Hagler with Leonard.

As far as Canelo, let's review the odds of all Canelo's fights compared to G, Mayweather and Pac:

As many of you know, betting odds gives a chance to look into how "risky" a fight is "at the time" that it happens which all play a role in evaluating a fighters legacy and greatness. Let's look into some of the most famous, some would even argue "great", fighters in the last 20 years:

(Per Odds Shark)

Mayweather
- Conor McGregor -350
- Andre Berto -3000
- Manny Pacquiao -200
- Marcos Maidana -600
- Marcos Maidana -900
- Canelo Alvarez -300
- Robert Guerrero -600
- Miguel Cotto -700
- Victor Ortiz -500
- Shane Mosley -400
- Juan Manuel Marquez -360
- Ricky Hatton -240
- Oscar De La Hoya -190 or 3 to 2 underdog
- Carlos Baldomir -700
- Zab Judah -500
- Shambra Mitchell -950
- Arturo Gatti -400
- Henry Bruseles -2000
- Corrales - 120
- Castillo -400
- Hernandez? Couldn't find

Pacquiao

-Thurman -120
- Broner -227
- Mathysse -230
- Jeff Horn -600
- Jessie Vargas -900
- Timothy Bradley -245
- Floyd Mayweather Jr. +160
- Chris Algieri -700
- Timothy Bradley -280
- Brandon Rios -550
- Juan Manuel Marquez -220
- Timothy Bradley -450
- Juan Manuel Marquez -1100
- Shane Mosley -850
- Antonio Margarito -450
- Joshua Clottey -600
- Miguel Cotto -270
- Ricky Hatton -225
- Oscar De La Hoya +160
- David Diaz -600
- Juan Manuel Marquez -210
- Marco Antonio Barrera -330
- Jorge Solis -850
- Erik Morales -180
- Oscar Larios -600
- Barrera - Barerra was 3 to 1 favorite
- Ledwaba - was 10 to 1 favorite
- Morales - 110 with Morales as favorite
- Sasakul - Sasakul as favorite? Can anyone confirm


Canelo

- Kovalev -400
- Jacobs -500
- Fielding -2500
- Gennady Golovkin +155
- Gennady Golovkin +150
- Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. -425
- Liam Smith -1400
- Amir Khan -650
- Miguel Cotto -300
- James Kirkland -900
- Erislandy Lara -285
- Alfredo Angulo -670
- Floyd Mayweather +235
- Austin Trout -220
- Josesito Lopez -2000
- Shane Mosley -605
- Kermit Cintron -1200
- Alfonso Gomez -2200
- Ryan Rhodes -890
- Matthew Hatton -1500
- Lovemore N’dou -2000
- Carlos Baldomir -1700
- Luciano Leonel Cuello -1200


Golovkin

Ouma - 14 to 1
Simon - 25 to 1
Proksa - 4 to 1
Rosado - 34 to 1
Ishida - 50 to 1
Macklin - 12 to 1
Stevens - 15 to 1
Adama - 9 to 1
Geale - 7 to 1
Rubio 20 to 1
Murray - 20 to 1
Monroe Jr - 25 to 1
Lemieux - 13 to 1
Wade - 70 to 1
Brook - 7.5 to 1
Jacobs - 4.8 to 1
Canelo - 1.8 to 1
Vanes - 25 to 1
Canelo - 1.9 to 1
Derv - 4.5 to 1
Szeemeta - 42 to 1

Lastly, I wanted to see when these guy's were really good or really bad in betting odds. I tallied when they were an underdog, 5 to 1 or less favorite or 20 to 1 or more favorite. Here's what I got:

Mayweather
- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0 (Possibly Corrales, De La Hoya or Castillo? I can't find supporting data on Corrales/Castillo. I did read that DLH closed as a 3 to 2 favorite, during ring walks. I can't verify accuracy though.
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 11
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 favorite or more - 2

Pacquiao
– Bouts in which he was the underdog – 6 (Mayweather, De La Hoya, Barerra, Morales, Sasakul, and Ledwaba).
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 19
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 favorite or more - 0

Canelo

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 3 (Mayweather, Golovkin 1 and 2)
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 9
- Bouts in which he was the 20 to 1 favorite or more - 3

Golovkin

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 5 to 1 or less – 5
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 20 to 1 or more - 8


In conclusion:

- Most amount of times as underdog - Pacquiao with 6
- Most amount of times in fights as 5 to 1 favorite or less - Pac with 19
- Most amount of times in fights as 20 to 1 or more favorite - Golovkin with 8

Let's look at the rankings of Canelo's opposition against GGG's:

Let's look at both fighters resume's:

Canelo
- Trout #3
- Lara #2
- Kirkland - unranked
- Cotto - #1
- Khan - unranked JMW
- Chavez Jr - unranked
- Golovkin - #1
- Fielding - unranked
- Smith - #9
- Jacobs - #2
- Kovalev - #1

Canelo covered 4 weight classes and beat 6 top 5 opponents. Let's look at Golovkin's resume:

Golovkin
- Proksa - #4
- Rosado - unranked
- Stevens - unranked
- Geale - #3
- Osumanu - unranked
- Rubio - #8
- Murray - #6
- Monroe - unranked
- Lemieux - #4
- Wade - unranked
- Brook - unranked MW
- Jacobs - #2
- Vanes - unranked
- Rolls - unranked
- Derv - #7

Golovkin covered 1 weight class and beat 4 top 5 opponents. Let's compare the two:

Canelo = 4 weight classes while beating 6 top 5 opponents at 29 years old.
Golovkin = 1 weight class while beating 4 top 5 opponents at 38 years old.

So, statistics tells us that Golovkin at 38 years old has covered less weight classes (1), while beating less top 5 opponents over the course of his 14 year career (4).

Canelo is the superior fighter, with the superior resume and has accomplished more across more weight classes in less time.

There's no way you can defend this

[Jab jab boom]

This isn't true either.

GGG was a diva. For instance, G wanted to fight Rosado at a catchweight of 157, wanted to fight Floyd at 154 and wanted to fight Ward at 164, but acted like a diva with Canelo. There were so many inconsistencies, many of which driven by GGG.

Mayweather gave into DLH's demands in order to get the fight (Ring size, glove size, weight, etc).

As did Hagler with Leonard.

As far as Canelo, let's review the odds of all Canelo's fights compared to G, Mayweather and Pac:

As many of you know, betting odds gives a chance to look into how "risky" a fight is "at the time" that it happens which all play a role in evaluating a fighters legacy and greatness. Let's look into some of the most famous, some would even argue "great", fighters in the last 20 years:

(Per Odds Shark)

Mayweather
- Conor McGregor -350
- Andre Berto -3000
- Manny Pacquiao -200
- Marcos Maidana -600
- Marcos Maidana -900
- Canelo Alvarez -300
- Robert Guerrero -600
- Miguel Cotto -700
- Victor Ortiz -500
- Shane Mosley -400
- Juan Manuel Marquez -360
- Ricky Hatton -240
- Oscar De La Hoya -190 or 3 to 2 underdog
- Carlos Baldomir -700
- Zab Judah -500
- Shambra Mitchell -950
- Arturo Gatti -400
- Henry Bruseles -2000
- Corrales - 120
- Castillo -400
- Hernandez? Couldn't find

Pacquiao

-Thurman -120
- Broner -227
- Mathysse -230
- Jeff Horn -600
- Jessie Vargas -900
- Timothy Bradley -245
- Floyd Mayweather Jr. +160
- Chris Algieri -700
- Timothy Bradley -280
- Brandon Rios -550
- Juan Manuel Marquez -220
- Timothy Bradley -450
- Juan Manuel Marquez -1100
- Shane Mosley -850
- Antonio Margarito -450
- Joshua Clottey -600
- Miguel Cotto -270
- Ricky Hatton -225
- Oscar De La Hoya +160
- David Diaz -600
- Juan Manuel Marquez -210
- Marco Antonio Barrera -330
- Jorge Solis -850
- Erik Morales -180
- Oscar Larios -600
- Barrera - Barerra was 3 to 1 favorite
- Ledwaba - was 10 to 1 favorite
- Morales - 110 with Morales as favorite
- Sasakul - Sasakul as favorite? Can anyone confirm


Canelo

- Kovalev -400
- Jacobs -500
- Fielding -2500
- Gennady Golovkin +155
- Gennady Golovkin +150
- Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. -425
- Liam Smith -1400
- Amir Khan -650
- Miguel Cotto -300
- James Kirkland -900
- Erislandy Lara -285
- Alfredo Angulo -670
- Floyd Mayweather +235
- Austin Trout -220
- Josesito Lopez -2000
- Shane Mosley -605
- Kermit Cintron -1200
- Alfonso Gomez -2200
- Ryan Rhodes -890
- Matthew Hatton -1500
- Lovemore N’dou -2000
- Carlos Baldomir -1700
- Luciano Leonel Cuello -1200


Golovkin

Ouma - 14 to 1
Simon - 25 to 1
Proksa - 4 to 1
Rosado - 34 to 1
Ishida - 50 to 1
Macklin - 12 to 1
Stevens - 15 to 1
Adama - 9 to 1
Geale - 7 to 1
Rubio 20 to 1
Murray - 20 to 1
Monroe Jr - 25 to 1
Lemieux - 13 to 1
Wade - 70 to 1
Brook - 7.5 to 1
Jacobs - 4.8 to 1
Canelo - 1.8 to 1
Vanes - 25 to 1
Canelo - 1.9 to 1
Derv - 4.5 to 1
Szeemeta - 42 to 1

Lastly, I wanted to see when these guy's were really good or really bad in betting odds. I tallied when they were an underdog, 5 to 1 or less favorite or 20 to 1 or more favorite. Here's what I got:

Mayweather
- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0 (Possibly Corrales, De La Hoya or Castillo? I can't find supporting data on Corrales/Castillo. I did read that DLH closed as a 3 to 2 favorite, during ring walks. I can't verify accuracy though.
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 11
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 favorite or more - 2

Pacquiao
– Bouts in which he was the underdog – 6 (Mayweather, De La Hoya, Barerra, Morales, Sasakul, and Ledwaba).
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 19
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 favorite or more - 0

Canelo

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 3 (Mayweather, Golovkin 1 and 2)
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 9
- Bouts in which he was the 20 to 1 favorite or more - 3

Golovkin

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 5 to 1 or less – 5
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 20 to 1 or more - 8


In conclusion:

- Most amount of times as underdog - Pacquiao with 6
- Most amount of times in fights as 5 to 1 favorite or less - Pac with 19
- Most amount of times in fights as 20 to 1 or more favorite - Golovkin with 8

Let's look at the rankings of Canelo's opposition against GGG's:

Let's look at both fighters resume's:

Canelo
- Trout #3
- Lara #2
- Kirkland - unranked
- Cotto - #1
- Khan - unranked JMW
- Chavez Jr - unranked
- Golovkin - #1
- Fielding - unranked
- Smith - #9
- Jacobs - #2
- Kovalev - #1

Canelo covered 4 weight classes and beat 6 top 5 opponents. Let's look at Golovkin's resume:

Golovkin
- Proksa - #4
- Rosado - unranked
- Stevens - unranked
- Geale - #3
- Osumanu - unranked
- Rubio - #8
- Murray - #6
- Monroe - unranked
- Lemieux - #4
- Wade - unranked
- Brook - unranked MW
- Jacobs - #2
- Vanes - unranked
- Rolls - unranked
- Derv - #7

Golovkin covered 1 weight class and beat 4 top 5 opponents. Let's compare the two:

Canelo = 4 weight classes while beating 6 top 5 opponents at 29 years old.
Golovkin = 1 weight class while beating 4 top 5 opponents at 38 years old.

So, statistics tells us that Golovkin at 38 years old has covered less weight classes (1), while beating less top 5 opponents over the course of his 14 year career (4).

Canelo is the superior fighter, with the superior resume and has accomplished more across more weight classes in less time.

There's no way you can defend this

you've clearly spent a lot of your life apparently being a Canelo apologist to have compiled this sort of useless information that you clearly save on your phone to copy and paste. Your argument is shamelessly trying to defend him by comparing him to others with meaningless stats that don't paint a clear picture of anything...other than the fact that you really really love Canelo to have put that together.

Odds on fights is a flawed argument because Floyd for example is so Superior to Canelo that he was favored over top guys in their primes that were younger than him. Canelo has lesser odds in his favor against older leftovers...like cotto for example. Here's the truth, let's look at the best names on Canelo resume
1. Mosley- 40 yrs old and washed up
2. Trout - in his prime, canelo won what was really a close fight (despite bad scoring) against a guy that turned out to be no more than a gate keeper.
3. Mayweather 36 yrs old, dominated Canelo
3. Lara - Made canelo look horrible, limited him to only 9 jabs landed the whole fight and got jerked by the judges.
4. Cotto - 36 yrs old and looked to be close to 20 pounds smaller in the ring. This was another close fight that the judges scored horribly 1 sided for Canelo.
5. Ggg 1 - 35 yrs old ,clearly beat Canelo but was robbed by more crooked scoring.
6. Ggg 2 - 36 yrs old, a closer fight but still should've went to ggg. Of 50 press row scorecards, only 2 had Canelo winning.
7. Jacobs - a solid win in another close fight that was 1 round off from being a draw in a very uneventful fairly boring performance.
8. Kovalev - 36 yrs old, knocked out in back to back yrs, was in a tough fight just 10 weeks earlier yet still made canelo look horrible in what was an otherwise a boring fight until the ko.

So there's the resume Canelo fans wet their panties over. So miss me with your lame comparisons of what ggg did because I'm not defending him, defend Canelo for what he's done/hasn't done with saying...but ggg fought bums. Yes he fought mainly bums his whole career and still deserved to beat Canelo even past his prime.

[Chollo Vista]

you've clearly spent a lot of your life apparently being a Canelo apologist to have compiled this sort of useless information that you clearly save on your phone to copy and paste. Your argument is shamelessly trying to defend him by comparing him to others with meaningless stats that don't paint a clear picture of anything...other than the fact that you really really love Canelo to have put that together.

Odds on fights is a flawed argument because Floyd for example is so Superior to Canelo that he was favored over top guys in their primes that were younger than him. Canelo has lesser odds in his favor against older leftovers...like cotto for example. Here's the truth, let's look at the best names on Canelo resume
1. Mosley- 40 yrs old and washed up
2. Trout - in his prime, canelo won what was really a close fight (despite bad scoring) against a guy that turned out to be no more than a gate keeper.
3. Mayweather 36 yrs old, dominated Canelo
3. Lara - Made canelo look horrible, limited him to only 9 jabs landed the whole fight and got jerked by the judges.
4. Cotto - 36 yrs old and looked to be close to 20 pounds smaller in the ring. This was another close fight that the judges scored horribly 1 sided for Canelo.
5. Ggg 1 - 35 yrs old ,clearly beat Canelo but was robbed by more crooked scoring.
6. Ggg 2 - 36 yrs old, a closer fight but still should've went to ggg. Of 50 press row scorecards, only 2 had Canelo winning.
7. Jacobs - a solid win in another close fight that was 1 round off from being a draw in a very uneventful fairly boring performance.
8. Kovalev - 36 yrs old, knocked out in back to back yrs, was in a tough fight just 10 weeks earlier yet still made canelo look horrible in what was an otherwise a boring fight until the ko.

So there's the resume Canelo fans wet their panties over. So miss me with your lame comparisons of what ggg did because I'm not defending him, defend Canelo for what he's done/hasn't done with saying...but ggg fought bums. Yes he fought mainly bums his whole career and still deserved to beat Canelo even past his prime.

Lol ok man

Odds mean nothing and it was impossible for Floyd to have been an underdog or have closer odds but:

Ali was a 7 to 1 underdog against Liston

Ali was a 4 to 1 underdog against Foreman

Jones was a 2 to 1 underdog against Toney

Leonard was a 3 to 1 underdog against Hagler

Leonard was a 2.5 to 1 underdog against Hearns

The list goes on and on... So yes, odds does paint a clear picture of "odds" at the time of the fight.

You still have yet to tell me who G beat that was better than Canelo's win over Kovalev. If that win was so weak, surely G should have one better, no?

[Thuglife Nelo]

This isn't true either.

GGG was a diva. For instance, G wanted to fight Rosado at a catchweight of 157, wanted to fight Floyd at 154 and wanted to fight Ward at 164, but acted like a diva with Canelo. There were so many inconsistencies, many of which driven by GGG.

Mayweather gave into DLH's demands in order to get the fight (Ring size, glove size, weight, etc).

As did Hagler with Leonard.

As far as Canelo, let's review the odds of all Canelo's fights compared to G, Mayweather and Pac:

As many of you know, betting odds gives a chance to look into how "risky" a fight is "at the time" that it happens which all play a role in evaluating a fighters legacy and greatness. Let's look into some of the most famous, some would even argue "great", fighters in the last 20 years:

(Per Odds Shark)

Mayweather
- Conor McGregor -350
- Andre Berto -3000
- Manny Pacquiao -200
- Marcos Maidana -600
- Marcos Maidana -900
- Canelo Alvarez -300
- Robert Guerrero -600
- Miguel Cotto -700
- Victor Ortiz -500
- Shane Mosley -400
- Juan Manuel Marquez -360
- Ricky Hatton -240
- Oscar De La Hoya -190 or 3 to 2 underdog
- Carlos Baldomir -700
- Zab Judah -500
- Shambra Mitchell -950
- Arturo Gatti -400
- Henry Bruseles -2000
- Corrales - 120
- Castillo -400
- Hernandez? Couldn't find

Pacquiao

-Thurman -120
- Broner -227
- Mathysse -230
- Jeff Horn -600
- Jessie Vargas -900
- Timothy Bradley -245
- Floyd Mayweather Jr. +160
- Chris Algieri -700
- Timothy Bradley -280
- Brandon Rios -550
- Juan Manuel Marquez -220
- Timothy Bradley -450
- Juan Manuel Marquez -1100
- Shane Mosley -850
- Antonio Margarito -450
- Joshua Clottey -600
- Miguel Cotto -270
- Ricky Hatton -225
- Oscar De La Hoya +160
- David Diaz -600
- Juan Manuel Marquez -210
- Marco Antonio Barrera -330
- Jorge Solis -850
- Erik Morales -180
- Oscar Larios -600
- Barrera - Barerra was 3 to 1 favorite
- Ledwaba - was 10 to 1 favorite
- Morales - 110 with Morales as favorite
- Sasakul - Sasakul as favorite? Can anyone confirm


Canelo

- Kovalev -400
- Jacobs -500
- Fielding -2500
- Gennady Golovkin +155
- Gennady Golovkin +150
- Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. -425
- Liam Smith -1400
- Amir Khan -650
- Miguel Cotto -300
- James Kirkland -900
- Erislandy Lara -285
- Alfredo Angulo -670
- Floyd Mayweather +235
- Austin Trout -220
- Josesito Lopez -2000
- Shane Mosley -605
- Kermit Cintron -1200
- Alfonso Gomez -2200
- Ryan Rhodes -890
- Matthew Hatton -1500
- Lovemore N’dou -2000
- Carlos Baldomir -1700
- Luciano Leonel Cuello -1200


Golovkin

Ouma - 14 to 1
Simon - 25 to 1
Proksa - 4 to 1
Rosado - 34 to 1
Ishida - 50 to 1
Macklin - 12 to 1
Stevens - 15 to 1
Adama - 9 to 1
Geale - 7 to 1
Rubio 20 to 1
Murray - 20 to 1
Monroe Jr - 25 to 1
Lemieux - 13 to 1
Wade - 70 to 1
Brook - 7.5 to 1
Jacobs - 4.8 to 1
Canelo - 1.8 to 1
Vanes - 25 to 1
Canelo - 1.9 to 1
Derv - 4.5 to 1
Szeemeta - 42 to 1

Lastly, I wanted to see when these guy's were really good or really bad in betting odds. I tallied when they were an underdog, 5 to 1 or less favorite or 20 to 1 or more favorite. Here's what I got:

Mayweather
- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0 (Possibly Corrales, De La Hoya or Castillo? I can't find supporting data on Corrales/Castillo. I did read that DLH closed as a 3 to 2 favorite, during ring walks. I can't verify accuracy though.
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 11
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 favorite or more - 2

Pacquiao
– Bouts in which he was the underdog – 6 (Mayweather, De La Hoya, Barerra, Morales, Sasakul, and Ledwaba).
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 19
- Bouts in which he was a 20 to 1 favorite or more - 0

Canelo

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 3 (Mayweather, Golovkin 1 and 2)
- Bouts in which he was a 5 to 1 favorite or less – 9
- Bouts in which he was the 20 to 1 favorite or more - 3

Golovkin

- Bouts in which he was the underdog – 0
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 5 to 1 or less – 5
- Bouts in which he was a favorite by 20 to 1 or more - 8


In conclusion:

- Most amount of times as underdog - Pacquiao with 6
- Most amount of times in fights as 5 to 1 favorite or less - Pac with 19
- Most amount of times in fights as 20 to 1 or more favorite - Golovkin with 8

Let's look at the rankings of Canelo's opposition against GGG's:

Let's look at both fighters resume's:

Canelo
- Trout #3
- Lara #2
- Kirkland - unranked
- Cotto - #1
- Khan - unranked JMW
- Chavez Jr - unranked
- Golovkin - #1
- Fielding - unranked
- Smith - #9
- Jacobs - #2
- Kovalev - #1

Canelo covered 4 weight classes and beat 6 top 5 opponents. Let's look at Golovkin's resume:

Golovkin
- Proksa - #4
- Rosado - unranked
- Stevens - unranked
- Geale - #3
- Osumanu - unranked
- Rubio - #8
- Murray - #6
- Monroe - unranked
- Lemieux - #4
- Wade - unranked
- Brook - unranked MW
- Jacobs - #2
- Vanes - unranked
- Rolls - unranked
- Derv - #7

Golovkin covered 1 weight class and beat 4 top 5 opponents. Let's compare the two:

Canelo = 4 weight classes while beating 6 top 5 opponents at 29 years old.
Golovkin = 1 weight class while beating 4 top 5 opponents at 38 years old.

So, statistics tells us that Golovkin at 38 years old has covered less weight classes (1), while beating less top 5 opponents over the course of his 14 year career (4).

Canelo is the superior fighter, with the superior resume and has accomplished more across more weight classes in less time.

There's no way you can defend this

you've clearly spent a lot of your life apparently being a Canelo apologist to have compiled this sort of useless information that you clearly save on your phone to copy and paste. Your argument is shamelessly trying to defend him by comparing him to others with meaningless stats that don't paint a clear picture of anything...other than the fact that you really really love Canelo to have put that together.

Odds on fights is a flawed argument because Floyd for example is so Superior to Canelo that he was favored over top guys in their primes that were younger than him. Canelo has lesser odds in his favor against older leftovers...like cotto for example. Here's the truth, let's look at the best names on Canelo resume
1. Mosley- 40 yrs old and washed up
2. Trout - in his prime, canelo won what was really a close fight (despite bad scoring) against a guy that turned out to be no more than a gate keeper.
3. Mayweather 36 yrs old, dominated Canelo
3. Lara - Made canelo look horrible, limited him to only 9 jabs landed the whole fight and got jerked by the judges.
4. Cotto - 36 yrs old and looked to be close to 20 pounds smaller in the ring. This was another close fight that the judges scored horribly 1 sided for Canelo.
5. Ggg 1 - 35 yrs old ,clearly beat Canelo but was robbed by more crooked scoring.
6. Ggg 2 - 36 yrs old, a closer fight but still should've went to ggg. Of 50 press row scorecards, only 2 had Canelo winning.
7. Jacobs - a solid win in another close fight that was 1 round off from being a draw in a very uneventful fairly boring performance.
8. Kovalev - 36 yrs old, knocked out in back to back yrs, was in a tough fight just 10 weeks earlier yet still made canelo look horrible in what was an otherwise a boring fight until the ko.

So there's the resume Canelo fans wet their panties over. So miss me with your lame comparisons of what ggg did because I'm not defending him, defend Canelo for what he's done/hasn't done with saying...but ggg fought bums. Yes he fought mainly bums his whole career and still deserved to beat Canelo even past his prime.

Lol

Chollo Vista vs LDBC Jab Jab Boom

And people question LDBC fans...

[Chollo Vista]

you've clearly spent a lot of your life apparently being a Canelo apologist to have compiled this sort of useless information that you clearly save on your phone to copy and paste. Your argument is shamelessly trying to defend him by comparing him to others with meaningless stats that don't paint a clear picture of anything...other than the fact that you really really love Canelo to have put that together.

Odds on fights is a flawed argument because Floyd for example is so Superior to Canelo that he was favored over top guys in their primes that were younger than him. Canelo has lesser odds in his favor against older leftovers...like cotto for example. Here's the truth, let's look at the best names on Canelo resume
1. Mosley- 40 yrs old and washed up
2. Trout - in his prime, canelo won what was really a close fight (despite bad scoring) against a guy that turned out to be no more than a gate keeper.
3. Mayweather 36 yrs old, dominated Canelo
3. Lara - Made canelo look horrible, limited him to only 9 jabs landed the whole fight and got jerked by the judges.
4. Cotto - 36 yrs old and looked to be close to 20 pounds smaller in the ring. This was another close fight that the judges scored horribly 1 sided for Canelo.
5. Ggg 1 - 35 yrs old ,clearly beat Canelo but was robbed by more crooked scoring.
6. Ggg 2 - 36 yrs old, a closer fight but still should've went to ggg. Of 50 press row scorecards, only 2 had Canelo winning.
7. Jacobs - a solid win in another close fight that was 1 round off from being a draw in a very uneventful fairly boring performance.
8. Kovalev - 36 yrs old, knocked out in back to back yrs, was in a tough fight just 10 weeks earlier yet still made canelo look horrible in what was an otherwise a boring fight until the ko.

So there's the resume Canelo fans wet their panties over. So miss me with your lame comparisons of what ggg did because I'm not defending him, defend Canelo for what he's done/hasn't done with saying...but ggg fought bums. Yes he fought mainly bums his whole career and still deserved to beat Canelo even past his prime.

Lol ok man

Odds mean nothing and it was impossible for Floyd to have been an underdog or have closer odds but:

Ali was a 7 to 1 underdog against Liston

Ali was a 4 to 1 underdog against Foreman

Jones was a 2 to 1 underdog against Toney

Leonard was a 3 to 1 underdog against Hagler

Leonard was a 2.5 to 1 underdog against Hearns

The list goes on and on... So yes, odds does paint a clear picture of "odds" at the time of the fight.

You still have yet to tell me who G beat that was better than Canelo's win over Kovalev. If that win was so weak, surely G should have one better, no?

Lastly, you kill your own theory by saying an old Golovkin beat Canelo. If G beat Canelo while he was over 35, doesn't that prove that guys can still compete at 35 and over? If that's the case, then there's nothing wrong with Canelo beating the guy's you just named especially when they were top 3 or lower at the time