Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag - Extra Edition: Canelo-GGG 3, Tyson-Ali, More

[Afi23]

I don’t get the rating part. I do think there are different types of intelligence. Wasn’t there an earlier mailbag where someone asked Bread about that?

There was. Someday, I'd really like for Breadman to dive into the psychological (intelligence, habits, life outside the ring, etc) aspect of boxing.

[ShoulderRoll]

Still hilarious that a couple dudes here claim that Golovkin ducked Mora. Had Golovkin fought and beat Mora, they would just say Mora was past prime who was losing to guys like Brian Vera. I do recall that Mora said Golovkin was high risk and low reward, or something along those lines when Golovkin was first coming on the American scene.

Wrong. Mora called out GGG for years. Golovkin defenders never seem to know the facts, it never fails and it's hilarious.

Sergio Mora: Like Sugar Ray and Hagler, I Want Golovkin

https://www.boxingscene.com/sergio-mora-like-sugar-ray-hagler-i-want-golovkin--83784

Sergio Mora Hopes Proksa Will Lead To Golovkin Shot

https://www.boxingscene.com/sergio-mora-hopes-proksa-lead-golovkin-shot--67109

Mora wants the world champions like Martinez, Golovkin or Quillin. He doesn’t understand why fighters like Curtis Stevens get the call...

Mora has tried to lure Quillin and Golovkin into the ring, but both camps have refused. Quillin works out of the Wild Card and Mora’s training camp is 20 miles away. But no offers have come Mora’s way. Golovkin’s trainers have seen Mora throughout the years. For several years Mora trained at South El Monte where one of Golovkin’s co-trainers works.

“They’ve seen me spar with guys like Antonio Margarito and Nick Martinez,” said Mora, adding that as a 16-year-old he sparred with then world champion Terry Norris and was kicked out after one day.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-boxing-articles-boxing-news-videos-rankings-and-results/17517-sergio-mora-chasing-down-middleweight-champions

[BobLoblaw]

"I don't want to go down the the rabbithole of who wins prime Ali vs prime Tyson"

Translation = Who wins between prime Tyson vs prime Ali?

[BobLoblaw]

As soon as I saw the third guy use 'exemple' instead of example, I checked and confirmed that he was French. I then proceeded to read the rest of his letter in a french accent, in my head.

[Fire4231]

I think what he is saying is that Mayweather studies other fighters and knows how they react in various sitations. He stores that upstairs and if his fight plan needs tuning he can reference that data to turn the fight in his favor. I think it's a huge compliment.

Bro... think it minimizes what we have seen Floyd do. The guy who was able to survive Mosely and shut him down for the rest of the fight did so because of studying fighters ahead? Why does it take Floyd a few rounds to adjust? My point is Floyd is more freestyle genius than pre-written plagiarist. How many times have you heard his corner give him advice outside of keep doing what you are doing. The problem is not whether the writer was complimentary. The problem is was the description of both fighters accurate? Hell no it absolutely was not.

[TonyGe]

Bro... think it minimizes what we have seen Floyd do. The guy who was able to survive Mosely and shut him down for the rest of the fight did so because of studying fighters ahead? Why does it take Floyd a few rounds to adjust? My point is Floyd is more freestyle genius than pre-written plagiarist. How many times have you heard his corner give him advice outside of keep doing what you are doing. The problem is not whether the writer was complimentary. The problem is was the description of both fighters accurate? Hell no it absolutely was not.

I think you are underestimating Floyd. Yeah he can improvise but he
does his homework too.

[AKAcronym]

Wrong. Mora called out GGG for years. Golovkin defenders never seem to know the facts, it never fails and it's hilarious.

Sergio Mora: Like Sugar Ray and Hagler, I Want Golovkin

https://www.boxingscene.com/sergio-mora-like-sugar-ray-hagler-i-want-golovkin--83784

Sergio Mora Hopes Proksa Will Lead To Golovkin Shot

https://www.boxingscene.com/sergio-mora-hopes-proksa-lead-golovkin-shot--67109

Mora wants the world champions like Martinez, Golovkin or Quillin. He doesn’t understand why fighters like Curtis Stevens get the call...

Mora has tried to lure Quillin and Golovkin into the ring, but both camps have refused. Quillin works out of the Wild Card and Mora’s training camp is 20 miles away. But no offers have come Mora’s way. Golovkin’s trainers have seen Mora throughout the years. For several years Mora trained at South El Monte where one of Golovkin’s co-trainers works.

“They’ve seen me spar with guys like Antonio Margarito and Nick Martinez,” said Mora, adding that as a 16-year-old he sparred with then world champion Terry Norris and was kicked out after one day.
https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-bo...ight-champions

Please, we all now damn well if Golovkin had fought Mora, the same people saying he ducked him would give him **** for fighting him, saying he was another guy who had moved up in weight (not for him of course but in general), had lost to Vera twice, beat Golovkin's leftover's in Proksa, Milton Nunez (who everybody KO's), what has Mora done at MW to deserve a fight with Golovkin, when he's got actual, legit MW's he could fight etc etc. I personally wouldn't have cared if he fought him but it wouldn't really have been a good win anyway.

[Fire4231]

I think you are underestimating Floyd. Yeah he can improvise but he
does his homework too.

Hopefully every fighter does. Freddie Roach wasn’t the greatest fighter but he studies fighters more intently than most in the sport.

So is that what makes the greatest fighter of this era special?

Sorry bro, this feels way off. Some body has to be in the ring making right decisions, nerves going with millions watching.

I am saying with confidence, studying a fighter is the least of Floyd’s “super,” powers.

It’s really not a sign of greatness it’s the ticket to the stadium.

And if you guys think that’s what made him great I hope you aren’t training. Because you clearly haven’t studied the tape well enough.

[ShoulderRoll]

Please, we all now damn well if Golovkin had fought Mora, the same people saying he ducked him would give him **** for fighting him, saying he was another guy who had moved up in weight (not for him of course but in general), had lost to Vera twice, beat Golovkin's leftover's in Proksa, Milton Nunez (who everybody KO's), what has Mora done at MW to deserve a fight with Golovkin, when he's got actual, legit MW's he could fight etc etc. I personally wouldn't have cared if he fought him but it wouldn't really have been a good win anyway.

Mora was a slick fighter with a difficult style. And as usual Golovkin's team found a way to not face a difficult opponent that was willing to fight him.

That's part of why his resume is so underwhelming.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Mora was a slick fighter with a difficult style. And as usual Golovkin's team found a way to not face a difficult opponent that was willing to fight him.

That's part of why his resume is so underwhelming.

GGG fans are hard to convince but they just act the fool. We all know HBO would’ve had interest in any Hispanic-Mexican-American vs Euro fighter, always been that way. Blame Abel Sanchez for protecting his investment and job security at HBO. Back then Brian Vera was like a Maidana of 154, very stocky brute dude, who even clipped Andy Lee. That was the whole Matchamaking strategies surrounding Lee-ChavezJr.-Vera.

It was the fights in Vera and Chavez Jr that wore tore Lee. Other than that, Lee always been a tough Southpaw. He’s the reason why BJS is even on the map. So yeah, put all that context into play and Mora was in his prime back then. At least Mora would’ve been a way tougher fight than Abel’s choosing of Proksa. Mora even had Haymon’s first Goldenchild on his resume with Forrest. Mora even took the Jacobs rematch... GGG didn’t.