Comments Thread For: Joshua Backs Mike Tyson To Beat Muhammad Ali, Explains Why

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

AJ DKSAB...😂😂

The question was Prime Ali vs Prime Tyson. AJ referred to the Ali who fought Frazier. Everyone knows prime Ali was prior to his exile in 67.

AJ clearly isn’t a student of the game... he probably thinks Ali and Clay were two different fighters.

[Plick647]

imo, prime 205-210 lb Holyfield beats them all.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Oh my, where to start. Dumbfounded really. Ali's entire prime was fought above 200 pounds. In fact I believe only his first 15 fights were fought below 200. Tyson was a 5-6 round fighter, Ali was a 15 round fighter all the way until his last fight. Tyson struggled with tall skillful fighters, and distance. Tyson's "skill" begins and ends with his physical gifts, speed, power, athleticism. Ali was far more skilled than Tyson and possessed the same physical gifts, amplified by the ability to punch and move like a Welterweight.

Frazier was also more skilled than Tyson. When you consider the physical gifts that Tyson had and Frazier did not have, yet Frazier's success well, it's obvious.

Tyson was truly a physical specimen. However, Ali was truly a once in a lifetime talent that we still have not seen the likes of to this day. Ali was with out a doubt the complete and total package of a boxer, and did it all at a high level.

Ali stops Tyson in 10 from a mixture of sustained shots over 10 rounds and Tyson being tired.

Oh, and the poster who said Fury was as skilled as Ali. Come the fhuck on with that B.S. Fury's movement is horrible, his footwork is sloppy and clumpy, and his speed is due to the fact he doesnt make a fist when he punches, he slaps. I can't believe I read that, seriously.

[The Noose]

Old Larry Holmes was able to hit Tyson at his best and frustrate him...until he was KO'd.

Prime Ali was tough enough to survive being hurt and Tyson didnt hurt every opponent even in his prime. Ali's reflexes were good enough and his work rate and conditioning would enable him to tire out Tyson as the fight wore on.

Frazier was relentless. Tyson i dont believe had the heart to take the punishment Frazier did. Tyson wasnt a late finisher.

[Oshio]

I love his analysis of the two ATGs in terms of their CA. It goes to show someone who knows boxing unlike one who likes to scream BOMBSQUAAAADDD yet he's dead from his neck up

[Jack Rivers]

I get what AJ is saying. When Ali fought Liston he weighed like 210 lbs. At that time he was fast and could move and elude punches and not get trapped in the corner. When he fought Foreman and Frazier 2 and 3 he was much slower.

Tyson was Frazier on steroids in my opinion. Frazier was erky jerky with upper body movements like Fury and mike but prime Tyson had leg movement and hand speed along with power that has never been matched. Those 3 combinations were killer. Only knock on Tyson compared to Frazier is Frazier would carry that energy and movement into late rounds as to where mike seemed to pucker out and just throw 1 or 2 punches then grasp. Maybe that was more towards his later years???

Either way eras are different and the human body and education has advanced exponentially since the 70s. It's like comparing baseball greats, football, basketball ect... from the golden years to players of the present.

The way Tyson fury boxed wilder i don't think Ali, foreman, liston, ect would beat him. Just too big, elusive and strong. That's why i agree with AJ a little about heavyweights now are super heavyweights and the heavyweights of the old are like cruiserweights of now. But to pick a winner it doesn't matter it's all fantasy anyway.

[drjerryfowler]

There are 2 Mike Tyson's. The first was PRIME MIKE TYSON before his trainer died, before he got thrown in prison, and before he stopped really caring about training. The 2nd Tyson was after this.
If you watch the tapes of Prime Tyson & then you watch Ali's fights, you will clearly see that there is no possible outcome to consider besides Ali be knocked out within 3 rounds. Prime Tyson was rock solid, very fast, and maybe the most powerful puncher in history. Ali would not be able to "float like a butterfly" without getting "stung by a bee" (Tyson).

[drjerryfowler]

Ali would have no chance with PRIME MIKE TYSON.
Your analysis is based on the Mike Tyson before his trainer died, he got thrown in prison, and stopped really caring about training. Ali might have beat the Tyson that fought Lewis. Ali would get knocked out by Prime Tyson. 100% guaranteed.

[Angeljuice]

Peak Ali and peak Tyson weren't far apart in weight and Ali beat guys heavier than Tyson so why does Ali need to be "bulked up" by Joshua?

Because he would struggle to make heavyweight nowadays. Heavyweight starts at 15 stone (210 lbs) and most are significantly heavier, back then they were often under 200 lbs.

Ali was 6'3"fought at about 215 lbs in his prime, whilst technically a heavyweight, he would be bullied by today's 6'7" 250 lb lumps.

Not so much Tyson (who himself was small), but I think Joshua was just highlighting the growth in stature of modern heavyweights.

[tokon]

Because he would struggle to make heavyweight nowadays. Heavyweight starts at 15 stone (210 lbs) and most are significantly heavier, back then they were often under 200 lbs.

Ali was 6'3"fought at about 215 lbs in his prime, whilst technically a heavyweight, he would be bullied by today's 6'7" 250 lb lumps.

Not so much Tyson (who himself was small), but I think Joshua was just highlighting the growth in stature of modern heavyweights.

The discussion was Ali v Tyson, who were only a few pounds apart in weight, not Ali v 6'7"/+250lb heavyweights. Ali would not have needed to be "bulked up" to fight, and beat, Tyson.