Why Ignore The Fact GGG Was Most Ducked During His Prime?

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

GGG is a failure.

He cried cause Martinez wanted a money fight, now fast forward GGG he avoiding fights to chase Canelo his money fight.

GGG wanted ward at 164,,,,,,, so he wanted ward to come down but he never dared once to come down to face canelo, Canelo had to step up not GGG.

GGG gets his way on everything and still LOSES lmfao dude is a dud!

[kafkod]

Here is a list of fighters that ducked him.


Andre Ward(Twice)

Chavez Jr

Sturm

Martinez (Lou, "no. he(GGG) is an animal."



feel free to add to the list.

I don't include Ward in my list of GGG duckers, because they never competed in the same division. And when Ward eventually returned to action after sorting his promotional issues out, he came back at LHW, 2 divisions above GGG. Imo, Ward and GGG only became linked because each was using the other's name to raise his profile.

I'm adding 3 more names to your list:

Peter Quillin.

Quillin priced himself out of unifying his WBO title with GGG by demanding at least $5million, which was more than 10x as much as either guy had earned for a fight before.

Daniel Geale.

Geale fought GGG as a challenger, but was stripped of the WBA Super title for refusing to fight him in a mandatory defence.

Darren Barker.

After Barker won the IBF from Geale, GGG offered to come to the UK for a unification fight with Darren for no purse at all. All GGG wanted were flight tickets for him and his team and a sponsors logo in the canvas.

Eddie Hearn, Barker's promoter, didn't know much about GGG and thought this was an amazing offer. But when he told Barker's trainer, Jimmy Tibbs, about it, Tibbs response was: "Golvokin? Fuck off!"

[Robi13]

how can you blame a man when nobody wants to fight him?

I don’t blame ggg, I blame everyone else... ggg is to good to fight.

[Citizen Koba]

Jesus christ. Honestly when will folk learn?

First problem with all these ducking scenarios is that if you got any standards and any consistency you gotta apply them across the board, and not just to the fighters you like or dislike. You wanna say some fighter ducked your guy better get ready to get that ish back tenfold.

Secondly, you need to come up with a standardised definition... what exactly makes it a 'duck', when is one side 'lowballing' or another overpricing themselves..? Without an absolutely clearly defined set of standards any discussion on who's avoiding who just devolves into subjective nonsense.

Ok... so what you figure in the end - if you follow the argument through to it's logical conclusion - is ulimately you pretty much got to say all fighters are ducking someone at some point in their careers cos there's is always gonna be more fights and fighters available to make than there is time or opportunity to make 'em, or (... and this is the route I chose to take when I figured all this out some years ago), you can simply recognise that the whole concept is pretty arbitrary and subjective and just not use it at all, and in fact rubbish it conceptually at every opportunity.

Better all round I think if the concept of ducking is just done away with altogether.

That said, if you are gonna go that route at least have some standards...

For me NO fighter is ever obliged to fight another anyway, except in the cases of required (mandatory) defenses of a title. This, to me, rules out calling someone a 'duck' for anything other than refusing a title defense or similar demanded by a recognised sanctioning org. If you're using their title to enhance your name and reputation and earning power then you have the obligation to jump through the hoops. If you don't want to make the defense, then just drop the damn belt.

Secondly NO fighter should ever be expected or required to go into a fight at other than their optimum weight or compromised in any way outside of the accepted standardised and sanctioned weightclasses ie... refusing a catchweight is NEVER a legitimate reason to criticise a fighter. Compromising yourself is a matter of health and safety and possibly literally life and death. By all means applaud a fighter for making a compromise or sacrifice on weight if you like, but they are never at fault for choosing not to. Same goes for inter-weightclass fights or going into a fight without proper preparation or compromised by illness... although, if a fighter does choose to go ahead with a fight in knowledge that they are compromised in some way they pretty much forgo the right to complain about it after the event.

Thirdly, yes it's the fight game but first and foremost it's prizefighting... these dudes are putting their health and even their lives on the line for financial recompense. No fighter can EVER be accused of 'ducking' when they take, or attempt to make, a more lucrative fight over a less lucrative one, nor can it ever be logically infered that making such a choice indicates a refusal to or unwillingness to fight the less lucrative opponent.


These are just some straightforward, consistent, logical prinicples that can be applied to every fighter and every situation. There's plenty of others that could be devised and as long as you apply 'em consistently whether you like a fighter or not I can't see that folk should have a problem, but far as I'm concerned it's better to just not use the term at all. Mostly we don't even know enough of the facts behind the scenes to make a properly considered judgement anyway.

[Citizen Koba]

I don't include Ward in my list of GGG duckers, because they never competed in the same division. And when Ward eventually returned to action after sorting his promotional issues out, he came back at LHW, 2 divisions above GGG. Imo, Ward and GGG only became linked because each was using the other's name to raise his profile.

I'm adding 3 more names to your list:

Peter Quillin.

Quillin priced himself out of unifying his WBO title with GGG by demanding at least $5million, which was more than 10x as much as either guy had earned for a fight before.

Daniel Geale.

Geale fought GGG as a challenger, but was stripped of the WBA Super title for refusing to fight him in a mandatory defence.

Darren Barker.

After Barker won the IBF from Geale, GGG offered to come to the UK for a unification fight with Darren for no purse at all. All GGG wanted were flight tickets for him and his team and a sponsors logo in the canvas.

Eddie Hearn, Barker's promoter, didn't know much about GGG and thought this was an amazing offer. But when he told Barker's trainer, Jimmy Tibbs, about it, Tibbs response was: "Golvokin? Fuck off!"

It's a funny story the Barker one, but if you watch the video the offer was made before Darren got the title off Geale, not after... 'get him Geale'. I ain't 100% on the timeline though my speculative guess is that the offer was made in early 2013 as suggested by newspaper articles that appeared much later.

[strykr619]

This is a Canelo loving GGG hating forum. That is just the way it is. Cotto was never going to fight him and either was Saunders, Eubank or Martinez.

The worship a PED abuser, can u blame them? besides boxing Mexico is known for the cartels, I can't blame them for putting him up on a pedestal. I mean look how fast the hopped on Ruiz when he got that lucky win against AJ. (even thou Ruiz is born and raised in the US LOL).

Its sad because Mexico is beautiful and has a rich history but alas all people know them for nowadays is boxing, illegals and cartels.

[strykr619]

I don't include Ward in my list of GGG duckers, because they never competed in the same division. And when Ward eventually returned to action after sorting his promotional issues out, he came back at LHW, 2 divisions above GGG. Imo, Ward and GGG only became linked because each was using the other's name to raise his profile.

I'm adding 3 more names to your list:

Peter Quillin.

Quillin priced himself out of unifying his WBO title with GGG by demanding at least $5million, which was more than 10x as much as either guy had earned for a fight before.

Daniel Geale.

Geale fought GGG as a challenger, but was stripped of the WBA Super title for refusing to fight him in a mandatory defence.

Darren Barker.

After Barker won the IBF from Geale, GGG offered to come to the UK for a unification fight with Darren for no purse at all. All GGG wanted were flight tickets for him and his team and a sponsors logo in the canvas.

Eddie Hearn, Barker's promoter, didn't know much about GGG and thought this was an amazing offer. But when he told Barker's trainer, Jimmy Tibbs, about it, Tibbs response was: "Golvokin? Fuck off!"

I agree Ward was using GGG's name and vise versa but they were never in the same picture.

My gripe with Ward was his boxing politics. He squandered a lot of his career in it unfortunately, could of been one of the all time greats.

[kafkod]

It's a funny story the Barker one, but if you watch the video the offer was made before Darren got the title off Geale, not after... 'get him Geale'. I ain't 100% on the timeline though my speculative guess is that the offer was made in early 2013 as suggested by newspaper articles that appeared much later.

I got that story from a different interview with Hearn. This Bscene article rehashed it:

https://www.boxingscene.com/hearn-team-barker-told-me-f-off-golovkin-fight-offer--108513

"Hearn: Team Barker Told Me To F*** Off To Golovkin Fight Offer"

My memory is playing tricks on me ... I would have sworn I heard Eddie say the offer came after Barker won the IBF title. I also got Tony Tibbs confused with Jimmy Sims. I'm always mixing those two up. ...

[EDDIE SPERM]

Triple She ducked Carl Froch !