Comments Thread For: Chris Eubank Jr. Tears Apart Billy Joe Saunders Over Controversial Video

[Dasmius Shinobi]

Chris Eubank Jr. have spoken.

The best message I read about Chris Eubank Jr. and one I agree at that.

[Sweet Scions]

Ah moral high ground, the only context in which this marginal talent ever gets the better of Saunders. Stay salty and rematch Korobov...right lol

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

that poster is a casual. lol. he thinks Conte and Andrade wouldn't have VADA and UKAD combined as if Whyte vs Rivas didn't have them combined, and we all saw the controversy surrounding NOT TWO AGENCIE'S CODE, but different sample collections having an adverse finding. Conte would still stipulate the agreement in the VADA contract, like before, that Oxilofrine is PROHIBITED AT ALL TIMES. BJS signed on the dotted line and failed!

the poster has a hard on to justify BJS's action cause WAR CANELO runs tingz! No wonder he flirts with Citizen Koba.. tsk tsk

projecting much?

I recall that according to UKAD, that nasal spray is allowed outside of competition up to a certain point, and the difference was only with the varying time-points. Yes Saunders f'd up, but I'm just saying for me, the f-up is of a different degree than other cheaters, you've got maybe Miller at one end, and Saunders is not of the same sort

[Bunch Pag]

I'm no expert

You should have stopped here...,

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

You should have stopped here...,

hey it doesn't stop everybody else

[Thuglife Nelo]

projecting much?

I recall that according to UKAD, that nasal spray is allowed outside of competition up to a certain point, and the difference was only with the varying time-points. Yes Saunders f'd up, but I'm just saying for me, the f-up is of a different degree than other cheaters, you've got maybe Miller at one end, and Saunders is not of the same sort

BJS forfeited to provide the ''nasal spray'' of use. You're supposed to declare any medications of use to VADA. They signed a VADA agreement to fight in the USA. VADA has Oxilofrine banned AT ALL TIMES. Major American sports like the NFL, MLB, have it banned at all time.

“Boxing deserves to know the brand of the ‘nasal spray’ product that contains oxilofrine as claimed by BJ Saunders,” said Conte.

“Does this drug containing product require a doctor’s prescription? Saunders needs to provide some answers. Boxing fans want to know.

“It’s that simple. BJ Saunders signs an agreement to be tested for a list prohibited substances.

“He then tests positive for oxilofrine and now claims UK Anti-Doping has a mack truck loophole in their testing program so it should NOT count?

“WADA and UK Anti-Doping need a wake-up call. “BJ Saunders signed a VADA enrollment agreement that says ‘substances are prohibited at all times.’

“Is it possible Saunders will next claim that he cannot read? “UK Anti-Doping is not testing Andrade for this fight. Period. How simple can this case be?

“All supplements and medications were to be listed by BJ Saunders on the VADA enrollment agreement.

“I would bet that Oxilofrine is not listed on his declaration forms. If he has a prescription, then where is it and who is the doctor? “More test results to come.

“Boxing people should note that BJ Saunders signed an agreement that included the VADA prohibited substances list with oxilofrine on it.

“Likely no declaration was made for this drug by Saunders. Seems to be no evidence of appropriate medical indication,” he added.

[Peter89]

He's right. Saunders is a total ****head.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

BJS forfeited to provide the ''nasal spray'' of use. You're supposed to declare any medications of use to VADA. They signed a VADA agreement to fight in the USA. VADA has Oxilofrine banned AT ALL TIMES. Major American sports like the NFL, MLB, have it banned at all time.

“Boxing deserves to know the brand of the ‘nasal spray’ product that contains oxilofrine as claimed by BJ Saunders,” said Conte.

“Does this drug containing product require a doctor’s prescription? Saunders needs to provide some answers. Boxing fans want to know.

“It’s that simple. BJ Saunders signs an agreement to be tested for a list prohibited substances.

“He then tests positive for oxilofrine and now claims UK Anti-Doping has a mack truck loophole in their testing program so it should NOT count?

“WADA and UK Anti-Doping need a wake-up call. “BJ Saunders signed a VADA enrollment agreement that says ‘substances are prohibited at all times.’

“Is it possible Saunders will next claim that he cannot read? “UK Anti-Doping is not testing Andrade for this fight. Period. How simple can this case be?

“All supplements and medications were to be listed by BJ Saunders on the VADA enrollment agreement.

“I would bet that Oxilofrine is not listed on his declaration forms. If he has a prescription, then where is it and who is the doctor? “More test results to come.

“Boxing people should note that BJ Saunders signed an agreement that included the VADA prohibited substances list with oxilofrine on it.

“Likely no declaration was made for this drug by Saunders. Seems to be no evidence of appropriate medical indication,” he added.

UKAD/WADA and BBBofC said that for them, there was "no breach". There is just a difference between VADA's definition of "in-competition" and everyone elses, so for me, it seems like more of a technical f-up than anything else. But I get you, VADA comes off looking like the more comprehensive testing agency

I suspect most boxers are on something. Wasn't there a female boxer last year who confessed to a lot of PED usage in camps? That 'Icarus' documentary was an eye-opener too

You make a good point about if the fight had been in the UK, that Andrade's team would have insisted on VADA in any case, so it would've been the exact same situation, Whyte-Rivas being somewhat analogous. Btw, didn't Whyte pass VADA and fail UKAD? So that kind of blows the idea of VADA being extra-stringent out of the water? I don't know, as I say, I'm no expert but I know there's a lot of agendas, hence why I don't trust much of what Conte has to say

A lot of su****ions around the Ingle gym tho...

[Thuglife Nelo]

UKAD/WADA and BBBofC said that for them, there was "no breach". There is just a difference between VADA's definition of "in-competition" and everyone elses, so for me, it seems like more of a technical f-up than anything else. But I get you, VADA comes off looking like the more comprehensive testing agency

I suspect most boxers are on something. Wasn't there a female boxer last year who confessed to a lot of PED usage in camps? That 'Icarus' documentary was an eye-opener too

You make a good point about if the fight had been in the UK, that Andrade's team would have insisted on VADA in any case, so it would've been the exact same situation, Whyte-Rivas being somewhat analogous. Btw, didn't Whyte pass VADA and fail UKAD? So that kind of blows the idea of VADA being extra-stringent out of the water? I don't know, as I say, I'm no expert but I know there's a lot of agendas, hence why I don't trust much of what Conte has to say

A lot of su****ions around the Ingle gym tho...

You need to educate yourself a bit more on PED use mate.

First off, you're asking if Whyte passed VADA and failed UKAD. Different collection DATES, different findings. Why would anyone assume that both VADA and UKAD collect AT THE SAME TIME RANDOMLY is silly...

Conte didn't invent the rules for American sports banning Oxilofrine at all times, and players have been dealt with having been caught with Oxilofrine. Oxilofrine is a very exploitative drug because it leaves the system in a day. That's a crazy stimulant in that your body uses all its resources that almost nothing leaves the body. Call a spade a spade.

You're not even challenging that Warren and BJS didnt call VADA's bluff working with the WBO for BJS to forfeit information for the nasal spray used, receipts, and who prescribed it for what condition. Just like Pac, didn't disclose an injury cause ''he forgot.'' It's a title fight yet BJS just casually can't provide the tools to help his case further, and rely on UKAD when he's fighting in the states? lol.

You're making up stuff for VADA's ''definition'' for ''out-of-competition.'' Again, VADA doesn't work with the NFL or MLB. It's not needed. Many agencies will test for Oxilofrine since its banned at all times in the USA.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

You need to educate yourself a bit more on PED use mate.

First off, you're asking if Whyte passed VADA and failed UKAD. Different collection DATES, different findings. Why would anyone assume that both VADA and UKAD collect AT THE SAME TIME RANDOMLY is silly...

Conte didn't invent the rules for American sports banning Oxilofrine at all times, and players have been dealt with having been caught with Oxilofrine. Oxilofrine is a very exploitative drug because it leaves the system in a day. That's a crazy stimulant in that your body uses all its resources that almost nothing leaves the body. Call a spade a spade.

You're not even challenging that Warren and BJS didnt call VADA's bluff working with the WBO for BJS to forfeit information for the nasal spray used, receipts, and who prescribed it for what condition. Just like Pac, didn't disclose an injury cause ''he forgot.'' It's a title fight yet BJS just casually can't provide the tools to help his case further, and rely on UKAD when he's fighting in the states? lol.

So it's just WADA/UKAD/USADA that allows oxilofrine "out of competition", i.e. up to the day of the fight, but VADA prohibits oxilofrine altogether? Is that right? I just checked USADA, oxilofrine is allowed out of competition for them. Thanks for helping me understand

A lot of su****ion around Ingle's gym, but I simply remember this case not seeming quite so serious as other cases. Yes, Saunders signed up for VADA, but as you say, this stimulant leaves the body fast, so it makes sense that it would only be of really effective benefit to a fighter on the day of the fight - an approach endorsed by every other testing agency so far as I can see