Is Carl Froch a HOF'er?

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Absolutely... Froch took on more challenges and has the greater resume without a doubt.

Only difference is one retired undefeated, but who really cares about that

I completely disagree bro.

Calzaghe has better accomplishments, longevity and wins.

Calzaghe also won lineal titles at 168 and 175 and was also the undisputed #1 at 168, something Froch never was largely due to Ward.

Calzaghe beat a prime Kessler and a very good version of B-Hop who despite being past his peak was unquestionably still an elite fighter. Froch never beat an elite fighter. Add that to Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Bika and the resumes are very close. Joe beat all those guys clearly as well except for B-Hop.

You’re entitled to your opinion though man so agree to disagree.

[Chollo Vista]

I completely disagree bro.

Calzaghe has better accomplishments, longevity and wins.

Calzaghe also won lineal titles at 168 and 175 and was also the undisputed #1 at 168, something Froch never was largely due to Ward.

Calzaghe beat a prime Kessler and a very good version of B-Hop who despite being past his peak was unquestionably still an elite fighter. Froch never beat an elite fighter. Add that to Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Bika and the resumes are very close. Joe beat all those guys clearly as well except for B-Hop.

You’re entitled to your opinion though man so agree to disagree.

Glad you knew better than to mention Roy.

Let me start with my first point, then I'll proceed. How can you say Froch got a gift from Dirrel, but give Joe full credit for a win against Hopkins?

Secondly, how can you say Froch never beat an elite fighter while mentioning Bika, Brewer, Woodhall, Mitchell and Lacy for Joe?

That just doesn't add up.

Joe reigned at 168 during a very weak time in the division. Also, I'm not sure who he beat for the lineal, but that's not really impressive to me as becoming undisputed. A bum with 20 losses can get lucky with one punch and win the lineal, but that doesn't speak to how impressive becoming undisputed is.

And who did Joe beat at 175? And who for the lineal at175?

I just caught your other point. Joe was never undisputed champion. He was the WBO champ, but if we're being honest, the WBO was never considered to be a legitimate belt. It was always the WBC, WBA and IBF

[KO MX]

Absolutely yes!!! He will get in

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Glad you knew better than to mention Roy.

Let me start with my first point, then I'll proceed. How can you say Froch got a gift from Dirrel, but give Joe full credit for a win against Hopkins?

Secondly, how can you say Froch never beat an elite fighter while mentioning Bika, Brewer, Woodhall, Mitchell and Lacy for Joe?

That just doesn't add up.

Joe reigned at 168 during a very weak time in the division. Also, I'm not sure who he beat for the lineal, but that's not really impressive to me as becoming undisputed. A bum with 20 losses can get lucky with on punch and win the lineal, but that doesn't speak to how impressive becoming undisputed is.

And who did Joe beat at 175? And who for the lineal at175?

Roy was totally washed by that point. That was just a cash grab.

Re-read what I said dude, I said prime Kessler and B-Hop were elite, not the other guys they were just other notable names on his resume I.E former/present/future champions.

I also didn’t give him full credit for beating B-Hop I said it was close but I did think Joe won that fight. I don’t think Froch beat Dirrell he got outboxed that night. I had it 115-112 to Dirrell.

He beat Kessler to become lineal champ at 168 and B-Hop to become lineal champ at 175. Both those wins are better than any win on Froch’s resume.

I think their performances against Kessler alone show who the better fighter was tbh.

He was the undisputed #1 beat Eubank for the WBO, Lacy for the IBF, then Kessler for the WBA/WBC. He held every belt at the weight. Nobody could dispute Joe was the clear #1 at 168 after he beat Lacy and Kessler.

[Larry the boss]

yes............

[Mooshashi]

He's a first ballot HOF'er IMO.

Fought everyone at or near his weight class. Didn't demand weight draining his opponents.
Beat everyone save Ward, who had a very bad style for him. Beat Taylor in classic, come back,
historical fashion. His last 12 fights were all with the very top of ranked guys. Every fight he had
was exciting. A fan friendly boxer.

And, in addition, fought in front of 80,000 at Wembley!

[Chollo Vista]

Roy was totally washed by that point. That was just a cash grab.

Re-read what I said dude, I said prime Kessler and B-Hop were elite, not the other guys they were just other notable names on his resume I.E former/present/future champions.

I also didn’t give him full credit for beating B-Hop I said it was close but I did think Joe won that fight. I don’t think Froch beat Dirrell he got outboxed that night. I had it 115-112 to Dirrell.

He beat Kessler to become lineal champ at 168 and B-Hop to become lineal champ at 175. Both those wins are better than any win on Froch’s resume.

I think their performances against Kessler alone show who the better fighter was tbh.

He was the undisputed #1 beat Eubank for the WBO, Lacy for the IBF, then Kessler for the WBA/WBC. He held every belt at the weight. Nobody could dispute Joe was the clear #1 at 168 after he beat Lacy and Kessler.

Alright let me log into the computer to respond to this.

See my last post about the WBO in the meantime

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Alright let me log into the computer to respond to this.

See my last post about the WBO in the meantime

I’ve already addressed it bud. He held every title at 168.

[New England]

tough to say. he's got a better resume than arturo gatti. so does that get him in? that's a precedent that has been set.


i personally would not vote carl froch into the hall of fame. look at those names and there's not a great fighter on there. he fought one great fighter, andre ward, and he got the bag beaten out of him. didn't even want a rematch. basically retired within weeks of ward's comeback into contention. he lost to the second best fighter he faced, mikkel kessler, in their first fight.


he's what you call a "very good" fighter. guys like that are the kinds of names that make a great fighter if you can beat them. relatively few fighters have wins over all time great fighters in their primes, nevermind several of them. so you look at the wins over guys like carl froch in a very positive light and give them a lot of weight.



i was at froch vs taylor and it was probably the most exciting sporting event i've seen. never been in an arena with energy like that in the 12th round. small venue, too. just something i'll never forget. froch looked me dead in the eye walking into the ring. everybody was booing him and i, clapping as loud as i could, said, "here we go cobra," and he looked at me and nodded with respect. dude was so f#cking ready. i will genuinely never forget the look in his eyes. i remember it like it happened this morning.

[Citizen Koba]

Gotta say yeah although it's hard to tell if I'm being objective or not when Carl was one of my favourite fighters of the last 20 years.

Although it's possible to point out that the fighters he beat were not always at their peak at the time he fought them he still had something like half a dozen guys who were divisional leaders at some point in their careers on his ledger. That's unusual. Add to that a willingness to take on anyone in his division and you got a winner with me...


Besides, just gotta love the guy's absolute refusal to quit, I mean Carl's good - an underated boxer and his chin was phenomenal - but more than anything he had that quality which is more needed than any other in a fighter.. Grit. An absolute determination to win. Even when he was getting his socks boxed off by Dre the dude never got discouraged and in fact if you watch the final coupla rounds of that fight you'll start to see it's Ward just starting to look a bit taken aback when Carl's still coming on strong... checking the clock as if to say 'How the fuck long do I have to do to keep this guy offa me. Why won't he just lie down and accept the L?'

Ward said it was his toughest fight, even more than Kovalev... and that was because of Carl's will.