What can Wilder adjust to win W/F III?

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  • NORMNEALON
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    #11
    Originally posted by MastaBlasta
    Fury, with the top preparation, game plan, and mindset in Wilder-Fury II goes into the trilogy fight with all of the momentum and advantages ... he scored a clear victory in II. What can Wilder do in III?

    First Wilder neess to come in (as he did) at 232 lbs or better, but it needs to be trained, cadio-ed, lean muscle and strength ... not just added weight. His upper body needs to be stronger.

    His defense must be better. Boxing is hit without being hit. Kownacki/Helenius showed that even with a blistering attack you can be caught and stopped. A great attack alone only works if you are prepared to run when needed, wrestle when needed, have outstanding defense, or have such an overwhelming attack that your opponent can't work.

    Not only does Wilder need strength overall, he needs much better balance. These are things a good, focused camp can improve. Fury is a large, mobile guy. If he remains the new attacking, added weight and power Fury ... Wilder has to be prepared for a long dangerous fight. Strength and balance, coupled with better defensive plans are a must.

    Much better stamina. Fury's stamina never was tested in II. Wilder's was abysmal. In III Wilder needs to be prepared to go long and hard in battle ... moving, defending successfully, attacking successfully (not just searching for a KO). Wilder is blessed that he can hurt you any time with a punch or combination, but he has to have a multi-round fight PLAN as to how he will dismantle Fury. Thinking on your feet is always good, but it doesn't replace a properly thought out plan over 12 rounds.

    There are other changes that would be good. I wasn't sure there would be enough time between fights, but corona-virus may add the needed time. What do you guys/gals think?

    PS - I would agree that Wilder could change/strengthen many things and still lose. This version of Fury is a huge challenge. If he continues to progress under Kronk in his strength, training, and game-planning, it will be very tough.
    He can come in lighter and hope he lands a bomb . With his mental state liekly compromised I dont think hes going to win this fight and she should be a much bigger dog than the odds are suggesting

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    • MastaBlasta
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      #12
      Originally posted by REdrUm0351
      I don’t agree on the weight he took Tysons punches fine when he was lighter and he was more dynamic. He already hits hard he should of never added more weight which may have helped hamper his stamina and slow him down. Fury doesn’t hit hard enough to need to gain weight. What he needed was speed and mobility like the first Stiverne fight where he was fighting off the back foot and throwing a strong jab. He needs to throw a jab to Furys body to keep that distance while disrupting Furys rhythm. and he needs a voice in his corner that he will listen too that can tell him how to adjust. His team is complacent and have stunted his growth at this age IDK if he can adjust but hopefully he can get back to moving and throwing.
      I agree he needs a voice in the corner that he WILL respect (Roach, Shields, Porter). I like Breland but I don't know if they can overcome Wilder's accusations and be effective. Deas doesn't seem to be strong enough nor trusted enough by Wilder.

      With these Super HW types (Fury, AJ, and more) I believe all HW's in the future need to be pushing 240 lbs. These guys are just getting too big otherwise. You may be more talented, you may win 2 fights out of 10 with these giants. But the other 8 fights, the size is gonna get you.

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      • MastaBlasta
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        #13
        Originally posted by TheCell8
        Land the right hand. Don't wear a 40 lb suit.
        LoL! Both of those would help the situation greatly. Also, I don't know why Wilder was pacing back and forth for two hours prior to the fight, but he needs to be trained before fight night, enough so that he is confident and will sit down and relax prior to the fight. It should be mental at that point. That nervous pacing is never good. That may have been more responsible than the suit for his legs being shot.

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        • Zaroku
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          #14
          He relied on his power punch.

          Guys who get whipped tend to rely on one tool.

          Take or neutralize that tool.. done..

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          Style and flow.. I couldn’t rap to save my life!

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          • REdrUm0351
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            #15
            Originally posted by MastaBlasta
            I agree he needs a voice in the corner that he WILL respect (Roach, Shields, Porter). I like Breland but I don't know if they can overcome Wilder's accusations and be effective. Deas doesn't seem to be strong enough nor trusted enough by Wilder.

            With these Super HW types (Fury, AJ, and more) I believe all HW's in the future need to be pushing 240 lbs. These guys are just getting too big otherwise. You may be more talented, you may win 2 fights out of 10 with these giants. But the other 8 fights, the size is gonna get you.
            I think Wilder hits hard enough to keep most of the bigger guys from coming in. He has power you have to respect. Size is just going to slow him down like I think it did in the last fight. His real problem is that he had poor stamina, couldn’t create angles or room to throw those bombs with proper footwork, and along with that just didn’t have any tools to set up his shot or a corner with a plan to help him adjust. He don’t need the weight he needs a conditioning coach and a better trainer but its hard to say if he can change at this stage in the game.

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              #16
              Originally posted by MastaBlasta
              LoL! Both of those would help the situation greatly. Also, I don't know why Wilder was pacing back and forth for two hours prior to the fight, but he needs to be trained before fight night, enough so that he is confident and will sit down and relax prior to the fight. It should be mental at that point. That nervous pacing is never good. That may have been more responsible than the suit for his legs being shot.
              Yea nervous energy can tire you out really fast. Kinda shows you that he isn’t as confident as he paints himself. Hopefully he makes the necessary adjustments in camp as he could do better in the 3rd fight Im worried he might be there for a check.

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              • LoadedWraps
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                #17
                He can be more aggressive and far more active. Volume punch. But even that is largely dependent on how well he can master the fundamentals, assuming he will focus on this at least partly.

                Wilder can make it a hell of a fight. But you can't make the horse drink water if he doesn't want to, once you lead him to the river.

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                  #18
                  Be the first to land the big shot. He came in expecting to have four rounds to warm up while Fury boxed, instead he got bum-rushed. Needs to be ready for another Shootout at the OK Corral.

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                  • MastaBlasta
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by paulf
                    Be the first to land the big shot. He came in expecting to have four rounds to warm up while Fury boxed, instead he got bum-rushed. Needs to be ready for another Shootout at the OK Corral.
                    Very true. That's the gameplan part ... he better be ready. I hope he learned that.

                    I don't think I can disagree with that avatar anyway ...

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