Comments Thread For: Davison: Saunders Must Match Or Better Canelo's Boxing IQ

[Griever0730]

Say what they want about BJS, but this fight is gonna have a ton of IQ in that ring from both the orthodox and the southpaw styles. Fight might not be entertaining, but it will be entertaining to see if Canelo can solve BJS' puzzle. Trout & Lara gave Canelo a bunch of problems back when he fought them, but he's improved much more since those times. Looking forward to it.

[ArturoBalboa]

I don’t understand what this “slickness” is when fans think it BJS. Slickness is exclusive to sequential defensive moves that are hard to pull off, and you attempt it by risk taking to please the crowd. You would see more Joe Calzaghe “slickness” at close range than you would BJS. And of course, the top is Sweet Pea, Floyd, Toney, Rigo, Loma, and now prime Canelo.

When I spar, there are times where I chose to just focus on constant footwork and defense when I see the guy’s mistakes. However I prefer to focus on high guards and countering to learn angles and repetitiveness. I learn the hard way cause use to do it myself and I would get figured out. Walking guys down imo is the hardest when you’re looking for that perfect shot and range.

It’s ironic, the best fights are unorthodox styles you don’t expect. Fury, Yarde, Canelo have shown closing the ring styles, pressuring out of their norm. Fury did it, got praised. Yarde did it, praised, but not good enough against Kovalev. Canelo did it with GGG 2, many say it wasn’t good enough and cry it was a “Draw.” Then Canelo does it against Kovalev because Yarde has success with it and is a more complete fighter and counter puncher than Yarde.

Yarde went for broke against Kovalev because he is huge. Paid the price.

BJS should attempt the same. If BJS does nothing and tries to look cute with one pot shot here and there that’s not good enough and just a copout. Mikey made no excuses when he lost to Spence. Mikey didn’t do anything different nor was effective in landing

Bjs doesn’t have the power to trouble Canelo, it would be suicide to adopt that strategy.

You talk about Canelo closing down the ring but use examples of two pretty flat footed guys that he did that effectively against. He essentially was getting past a very effective jab to close range in both cases, not having to deal with too much movement.
When he fought mayweather and Lara he didn’t close down the ring he followed them round it. He obviously lost against Floyd and looked very uncomfortable in early rounds against Lara until Lara felt Alvarez power and his gameplan shifted from hit and move, to run.
Canelo has improved immeasurably since his youth but hasn’t been in with a mover like that since to disprove that footwork is his kryptonite.
Given that footwork is one of Saunders biggest assets and possibly Canelo’s biggest weakness, why would he move away from his strengths to risk trading with a devastating puncher like that. Especially with the cautious Davison running his camp, it’s just not gonna happen.

[ArturoBalboa]

Say what they want about BJS, but this fight is gonna ton of IQ in that ring from both the orthodox and the southpaw styles. Fight might not be entertaining, but it will be entertaining to see if Canelo can solve BJS' puzzle. Trout & Lara gave Canelo a bunch of problems back when he fought them, but he's improved much more since those times. Looking forward to it.

I know exactly what you mean, I love watching gatti v Ward, Castillo v corrales style wars but am entertained and intrigued by watching a clash of styles like this and each boxer trying to outhink the other, make adjustments and make the fight their type of fight.

[jackblack008]

Basically he is saying my fighter gonna get fc*kd

[Heru]

i disagree with Davison. Canelo’s Ring IQ is his weakness and his superb skills and talent bail him out.

It’s the reason why Canelo can be close to being in complete control and still lose rounds and go to a disputed decision. His resume is filled with volatile scorecards because of it. There are points in fights, where he can stop opponents or edge a round and he’ll allow opponents off the hook or to steal multiple rounds.

Win or lose, Saunders is going to take rounds from Canelo just off of Canelo’s lack of Ring IQ.

[kushking]

Basically he is saying my fighter gonna get fc*kd

Ding ding ding

Winner winner chicken dinner

Everyone below lhw will be at least 5-1 odds vs current Canelo, Saunders DOESN'T possess Fury blood through his veins.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Bjs doesn’t have the power to trouble Canelo, it would be suicide to adopt that strategy.

You talk about Canelo closing down the ring but use examples of two pretty flat footed guys that he did that effectively against. He essentially was getting past a very effective jab to close range in both cases, not having to deal with too much movement.
When he fought mayweather and Lara he didn’t close down the ring he followed them round it. He obviously lost against Floyd and looked very uncomfortable in early rounds against Lara until Lara felt Alvarez power and his gameplan shifted from hit and move, to run.
Canelo has improved immeasurably since his youth but hasn’t been in with a mover like that since to disprove that footwork is his kryptonite.
Given that footwork is one of Saunders biggest assets and possibly Canelo’s biggest weakness, why would he move away from his strengths to risk trading with a devastating puncher like that. Especially with the cautious Davison running his camp, it’s just not gonna happen.

That reason why Floyd was able to OUT POINT Canelo was the 1:1:1 counter, and Floyd could even go to four but it would risky. For instance, Canelo WANTED to box Floyd. And Saul Canelo Alvarez learned HE CANNOT win a COUNTERING CHessmatch with Floyd. Even when Canelo was successful with a counter, Floyd countered back for a 3 piece exchange (1:1:1), so Canelo’s point was merely taken away.

Canelo did have 4 rounds that I agree with Moretti. You have to accept that Canelo was still able to **** on Floyd’s flee with power shots from the ropes. Of course it was really on power shot attempts that got Canelo points, but nothing else he could show. When it came to Lara, Canelo was 3 times more successful in landing power shots than his Floyd performance, and Lara did not perform like Floyd. That’s how Canelo got the win.

I truly HOPE that BJS goes out on his shield because that’s the only thing that’s left. Fans really need to see tape of BJS going to 179-168 performances. They are horrid. I mean what happened? I think BJS isn’t athletic enough to perform at higher weights. It’s obviously a physical disadvantage. Everyone knows when you move up you’re going against speed and stamina. This is especially the case going up multiple weight classes.

[Thuglife Nelo]

i disagree with Davison. Canelo’s Ring IQ is his weakness and his superb skills and talent bail him out.

It’s the reason why Canelo can be close to being in complete control and still lose rounds and go to a disputed decision. His resume is filled with volatile scorecards because of it. There are points in fights, where he can stop opponents or edge a round and he’ll allow opponents off the hook or to steal multiple rounds.

Win or lose, Saunders is going to take rounds from Canelo just off of Canelo’s lack of Ring IQ.

All elite level boxers PARTICULARLY focus on chessmatch counter attacks. Canelo has so much experience he can see movement from all angles, that’s why he’s the best counter puncher in the game. If you think that’s LUCK or that amateur champions achieve it on a regular basis let alone that most pro boxers dont then you need to reassess your idea of what Ring IQ is.

[TonyGe]

i disagree with Davison. Canelo’s Ring IQ is his weakness and his superb skills and talent bail him out.

It’s the reason why Canelo can be close to being in complete control and still lose rounds and go to a disputed decision. His resume is filled with volatile scorecards because of it. There are points in fights, where he can stop opponents or edge a round and he’ll allow opponents off the hook or to steal multiple rounds.

Win or lose, Saunders is going to take rounds from Canelo just off of Canelo’s lack of Ring IQ.

I agree. He throws nice combinations that take advantage of his hand speed. He's not an idiot but his in ring smarts aren't elite. Overrated in that department.

[ArturoBalboa]

That reason why Floyd was able to OUT POINT Canelo was the 1:1:1 counter, and Floyd could even go to four but it would risky. For instance, Canelo WANTED to box Floyd. And Saul Canelo Alvarez learned HE CANNOT win a COUNTERING CHessmatch with Floyd. Even when Canelo was successful with a counter, Floyd countered back for a 3 piece exchange (1:1:1), so Canelo’s point was merely taken away.

Canelo did have 4 rounds that I agree with Moretti. You have to accept that Canelo was still able to **** on Floyd’s flee with power shots from the ropes. Of course it was really on power shot attempts that got Canelo points, but nothing else he could show. When it came to Lara, Canelo was 3 times more successful in landing power shots than his Floyd performance, and Lara did not perform like Floyd. That’s how Canelo got the win.

I truly HOPE that BJS goes out on his shield because that’s the only thing that’s left. Fans really need to see tape of BJS going to 179-168 performances. They are horrid. I mean what happened? I think BJS isn’t athletic enough to perform at higher weights. It’s obviously a physical disadvantage. Everyone knows when you move up you’re going against speed and stamina. This is especially the case going up multiple weight classes.

All elite level boxers PARTICULARLY focus on chessmatch counter attacks. Canelo has so much experience he can see movement from all angles, that’s why he’s the best counter puncher in the game. If you think that’s LUCK or that amateur champions achieve it on a regular basis let alone that most pro boxers dont then you need to reassess your idea of what Ring IQ is.

I guess I have a different definition of what ring IQ is than yourself.
I don’t think you have to be a masterful counterpuncher or skilled technician, to me it’s about assessing your opponents strengths and weaknesses then negating and taking advantage of those, using your own skill set to the best possible advantage.
Best examples I can think of being mayweather, Ward and Crawford.
If you’re saying Canelo chose to box and counterpunch mayweather than I would argue that displays a low level of ring IQ.
As good a counterpuncher as Alvarez is, you don’t try and beat Floyd at his own game. With the speed and power in his combinations i believe he could have beaten mayweather if he had fought him like maidens fought him and unloaded volume, not concerning where they hit.
Also the fact remains that he didn’t cut off the ring successfully against mayweather or Lara, he didn’t look good following them round and a lot of his power shots were lunges from mid range. He hasn’t fought anyone with close to that level of movement since, so we don’t know if that’s been rectified.

I don’t think it’s issues with weight class so much with Saunders and more that he’s a terrible professional. He doesn’t live the life can look out of shape between fights. His level of performance alters according to the calibre of fighter he’s fighting and can look poor when fighting lower level fighters. I fully expect him to be in the shape of his life, give Canelo a hard nights
work but ultimately lose a decision.