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  • Is 115-113x2 and 114-114 dominate?

    Just asking for a friend because so many people here seems to think it is.

    Anyone have any other examples of score cards like this that were dominant performances?

  • #2
    The numbers never tell the whole story, you could have 120-108 fights that were not dominant wins, gotta watch the fights and see how they play out.

    But to answer your question, no that is not dominant if those scores are accurate to what actually happens in a fight.

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    • #3
      Is a rhetorical question, rhetorical?

      Instead of framing your (or your friends) intentions behind a silly and very obvious analogy, maybe just explain the situation and explain why you disagree with the narrative.

      However Pac beating Bradley seemed pretty dominant to me and yet the scores went against him. Is this an example?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Articulateboxin View Post
        Is a rhetorical question, rhetorical?

        Instead of framing your (or your friends) intentions behind a silly and very obvious analogy, maybe just explain the situation and explain why you disagree with the narrative.

        However Pac beating Bradley seemed pretty dominant to me and yet the scores went against him. Is this an example?
        Lots of sarcasm in the post.

        But I'm mostly just talking about Canelos win over GGG.

        Compared to 95% of the trash posters here I try my best to be objective scoring because boxing over the fighter. If your fighter takes an L that's fine but these guys just love to blow it up to a whole new level.

        People telling me I'm trying to be a revisionist but damn, I scored that fight 7-5 GGG but all these Canelo fans just love to pretend the fight was what it was not.

        It's pretty damn annoying because it's one thing to be a fan of the sport and another to just want to low key suck another man's ****.

        I dont get it.

        I'd like to see if there were other examples where that was the case of if it's just this one example.

        I disagree with the narrative because I believe narrative should never be how you frame a fight because instead of objectively scoring people instead choose their bias.

        For example, GGG didnt knock Canelo out. He loses.

        Or Canelo did better in this fight so he deserves the victory.

        Standing and trading with GGG means squat to me. Just because he was the first guy to do it and not get KTFO doesnt mean he won.

        But that just seems to be it. People choosing the narrative over what actually happened. Ruining this damn sport with their fanatic fanboyism.
        Last edited by R-Hand Southpaw; 03-12-2020, 03:39 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw View Post
          Lots of sarcasm in the post.

          But I'm mostly just talking about Canelos win over GGG.

          Compared to 95% of the trash posters here I try my best to be objective scoring because boxing over the fighter. If your fighter takes an L that's fine but these guys just love to blow it up to a whole new level.

          People telling me I'm trying to be a revisionist but damn, I scored that fight 7-5 GGG but all these Canelo fans just love to pretend the fight was what it was not.

          It's pretty damn annoying because it's one thing to be a fan of the sport and another to just want to low key suck another man's ****.

          I dont get it.

          I'd like to see if there were other examples where that was the case of if it's just this one example.
          Kind of like Golovkin-Jacobs.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View Post
            Kind of like Golovkin-Jacobs.
            Ain't gonna lie. That was a close fight but imo the deciding factor was the KD.

            Without it could have totally been a draw.

            Jacob's fought the fight of his life and came up just short. Nothing wrong with that.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw View Post
              Ain't gonna lie. That was a close fight but imo the deciding factor was the KD.

              Without it could have totally been a draw.

              Jacob's fought the fight of his life and came up just short. Nothing wrong with that.
              A case can be made that Jacobs won that fight. Golovkin fans act like it was a clear Golovkin win. Golovkin should have given him a rematch.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw View Post
                Lots of sarcasm in the post.

                But I'm mostly just talking about Canelos win over GGG.

                Compared to 95% of the trash posters here I try my best to be objective scoring because boxing over the fighter. If your fighter takes an L that's fine but these guys just love to blow it up to a whole new level.

                People telling me I'm trying to be a revisionist but damn, I scored that fight 7-5 GGG but all these Canelo fans just love to pretend the fight was what it was not.

                It's pretty damn annoying because it's one thing to be a fan of the sport and another to just want to low key suck another man's ****.

                I dont get it.

                I'd like to see if there were other examples where that was the case of if it's just this one example.

                I disagree with the narrative because I believe narrative should never be how you frame a fight because instead of objectively scoring people instead choose their bias.

                For example, GGG didnt knock Canelo out. He loses.

                Or Canelo did better in this fight so he deserves the victory.

                Standing and trading with GGG means squat to me. Just because he was the first guy to do it and not get KTFO doesnt mean he won.

                But that just seems to be it. People choosing the narrative over what actually happened. Ruining this damn sport with their fanatic fanboyism.
                If you score the 2nd fight a 7-5 towards GGG, you were not scoring the fight objectively. Canelo dominated the fight 8-4. Only because GGG hid behind the jab (and badly missed all fight) doesn’t mean he was dominant.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Robbie Barrett View Post
                  A case can be made that Jacobs won that fight. Golovkin fans act like it was a clear Golovkin win. Golovkin should have given him a rematch.
                  The case is smaller than Canelo vs GGG 2 which many of you thought Canelo DOMINATED. No GGG fan thinks GGG dominated Jacobs. So why is it different from Canelo? Why is GGG a bum and a bum slayer but Jacob's a solid win? Interesting huh?

                  I scored the fight 7-5. But the KD made it 115-112. Like I said, the KD made the difference. Was it a close fight? Sure.

                  GGG could have given Jacob's a rematch but let's be honest, who would give Jacobs a rematch when Canelo was right around the corner and you're already 35?

                  Doesnt make any sense.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by R-C View Post
                    If you score the 2nd fight a 7-5 towards GGG, you were not scoring the fight objectively. Canelo dominated the fight 8-4. Only because GGG hid behind the jab (and badly missed all fight) doesn’t mean he was dominant.
                    The majority of the boxing community had similar scores so let's not act like I'm the one lying.

                    Can you name a time where all of the media score cards disagreed with the result?

                    Canelo fans want to act like the media or people have an agenda but in the same breath say things like, Canelo is the A-side, Canelo is so popular, Canelo is the face of boxing.

                    How can someone with so many fans have a fight scored against them? Would you like to name some examples? I can show you a few examples of favorable score cards for Canelo in Vegas.

                    Look at the media score cards.

                    Brian Campbell (CBS sports): 116-112 Golovkin

                    Dan Rafael (ESPN): 114-114 draw

                    Stephen A. Smith (ESPN): Golovkin won

                    Arash Markazi (ESPN): 114-114 draw

                    Brett Okamoto (ESPN): 114-114 draw

                    Teddy Atlas - Golovkin won

                    Salvador Rodríguez (ESPN Mexico): 114-114 draw

                    Eduardo Lamazón (Televisa): 116-112 Golovkin

                    Gareth A Davies (The Telegraph): 116-112 Golovkin

                    Josh Peter (USA Today): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Sports Illustrated: 114-114 draw

                    Dylan Hernandez (LA Times): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Lance Pugmire (La Times): 114-114 draw

                    BoxingScene: 114-114 draw

                    Chris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports): 114-114 draw

                    The Guardian: 116-112 Golovkin

                    Joe DePaolo (Washington Post): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw

                    Douglass Fischer (Ring Magazine): 114-114 draw

                    Mike Baca II (Ring Magazine and Undisputed Champion Network): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports): Golovkin won

                    Sherdog.com: 116-112 Golovkin

                    Jai Bednall (news.com.au): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Brian Mazique (Forbes): 114-114 draw

                    Adam Abramowitz (Ring Magazine and SN Boxing): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Tom Craze (Bad Left Hook): 116-112 Golovkin

                    Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow): 115-113 Golovkin

                    The Associated Press: 114-114 draw

                    Adam Caparell (Complex Sports): 116-112 Golovkin

                    Bill Simmons (HBO and The Ringer): 114-114 draw

                    Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News): 116-112 Golovkin

                    Andreas Hale (Sporting News): Golovkin won

                    Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly): Canelo won

                    Michael Montero (MonteroOnBoxing): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Matt Christie (Boxing News): 115-114 Golovkin

                    George Willis (New York Post): 114-114 draw

                    Gary Melo (SportsNet Canada): Golovkin won

                    Below The Belt Podcast: 115-113 Golovkin

                    World Boxing News: 115-113 Golovkin

                    Jeff Powell (Daily Mail): 116-113 Golovkin

                    Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV): 114-114 draw

                    Michelle Rosado (Raging Babe): 115-113 Canelo

                    Michelle Joy Phelps (Behind the Gloves): 115-113 Golovkin

                    Lennox Lewis: Golovkin won by 2 rounds

                    Fight Nights: 115-113 Golovkin

                    Michael Woods (NYFights.com): two point edge for Golovkin

                    Dieter Kurtenbach (San Jose Mercury News and the East Bay Times): Golovkin won by 3 rounds

                    Rafael G (the Fight City): 116-112 Golovkin

                    34 for GGG, 2 for Canelo, 15 for Draw

                    Everyone must be blind huh?

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