Comments Thread For: Callum Smith Drops Financial Ball in Sidestepping Canelo's 168 Return

[kidbazooka]

Lol, Canelo doesnt hurt ANYONE badly...he isnt a massive puncher, good body puncher sure, but doesnt hit hard enough and often enough to cause much damage.

Ok bud

Just ask Kirkland, kovalev to name a few how it felt to be ktfo.

Canelo literally left Kova looking like a rag doll on the ropes and please don’t come out at me with the BS excuses you guys don’t like the Wilder/fury excuses so please don’t be hypocrites about it.

Canelo hits thats why the so called granite chin GGG was tamed in the rematch.

[bigdunny1]

Disagree with the article. Reportedly, Callum turned down a decent but not great offer, and expected to receive a counteroffer - which is normal in any business. Golden Boy said ehhh and went after BJS. Don't think this qualifies as dropping the ball at all.

Golden Boy sent both Smith and BJS the same offer which was a career high for both guys who have recently been fighting for only 1M or less. It was more money then either man can make fighting anyone else. One of these idiots asked for Canelo to double the offer wanting to be paid as much as Jacobs and Kovalev. The other asked for significantly less money closer to the offer they got. Canelo negotiated with the one that asked for less money BJS. Smith priced himself out and they never went back to them they negotiated with the guy who was reasonable in his money demands. BJS won the lottery because he asked for less money and agreed to fight for much less then Smith demanded. Smith misread his market and looks a fool because he now gets nothing. Hearn said it weeks ago both guys got the same offer whoever agrees to fight for less money probably lands the fight.

When you come out the gate so wide from the money you were offered and there are others agreeing to fight for less money you lose and don't get a counteroffer. LMAO

[Thuglife Nelo]

Lol, Canelo doesnt hurt ANYONE badly...he isnt a massive puncher, good body puncher sure, but doesnt hit hard enough and often enough to cause much damage.

A member from 2006. Lol. Hasn’t seen Canelo’s power for how he hits the bag? If you actually go to the gym you’d know which posters make shet up.

[bigdunny1]

I’m still waiting for Canelo to confirm he’s fighting BJS. GBP low balls their opponents, and I know the argument is they’re getting way more than they ever made. But they always come back to the first name they negotiated with and they end up getting paid much more than the original offer. The four unarmed opponents willing to take the fight on the cheap don’t exist. Canelo missed one of his dates last year, and then paid Kovalev more than they ever said they would. Canelo doesn’t take a pay cut and the fans don’t get a discount, so fighting a fighter that comes cheapest is not a good look or sell. Nelo needs opponents. The cash cow always has to give his opponent the biggest purse of their life by a long shot. GBP tells us why the opponent deserves only so much because they aren’t popular then they will tell us why we need to pay full price to watch it?!! Everyone links arms when dealing with the cash cow, there’s lots of fighters but only so many managers and promoters. Canelo has a good chance of beating you up, and nobody expects to win a close fight against him on the cards. GBP were supposedly going to move on weeks ago from both fighters. No one believed that. Yeah things could work out bad for Smith, but this scenario is backed up by years of boxing precedent. I bet Beterbiev woulda come cheaper than both BJS and Smith by a long shot and most fans would have it a tougher challenge and Vegas included.

at calling these lowball offers when Smith has no path to make this same money while not being a draw in the US and we don't know how much BJS was off from Canelo's 1st offer but we do know Smith was way off and that's why he didn't get the fight. There is no guarantee Smith will continue winning or ever get another big payday hell he almost lost to Ryder his last fight he could literally lose to any top contender. We just saw Kownacki who turned down the same offer Ruiz got to fight Joshua thinking he will get that same money this year now he's knocked out and will never see that 5-6M he had guaranteed last year. Beterbiev was never in the running because Canelo jumped up to 175 only to make history he was never going to stay at that weight he was always going back down in weight after that fight.

[kidbazooka]

A member from 2006. Lol. Hasn’t seen Canelo’s power for how he hits the bag? If you actually go to the gym you’d know which posters make shet up.

It’s that canelo hate man really it makes these clowns go rettardedd

[Thuglife Nelo]

It’s that canelo hate man really it makes these clowns go rettardedd

Its probably steroid abusing writer Tris Dixon’s alt

[Blond Beast]

at calling these lowball offers when Smith has no path to make this same money while not being a draw in the US and we don't know how much BJS was off from Canelo's 1st offer but we do know Smith was way off and that's why he didn't get the fight. There is no guarantee Smith will continue winning or ever get another big payday hell he almost lost to Ryder his last fight he could literally lose to any top contender. We just saw Kownacki who turned down the same offer Ruiz got to fight Joshua thinking he will get that same money this year now he's knocked out and will never see that 5-6M he had guaranteed last year. Beterbiev was never in the running because Canelo jumped up to 175 only to make history he was never going to stay at that weight he was always going back down in weight after that fight.

There’s two sides to every coin. No boxer ever jumps at the first offer. Big boxing matches are always hard to make and the numbers can go on for years. That’s the precedent. Opponents holding out is a lot more common than fights being signed right away. That’s the truth. It’s so hard to make big fights. If there was a huge precedent of opponents screwing themselves out of money and ruining their careers by holding out then why does it happen so often? I’m not saying Smiths career couldnt get derailed, but a lot of fighters hold out for more only to get it. I mean GBP was supposed to move on weeks ago remember? But if the BJS fight is happening he will get much more than the original offer. Lots of people said Kovalev shoulda taken the money but he didn’t, and Canelo sat out the date, in his prime. Kovalev ended up getting paid what $11 million or more? Canelo couldn’t miss another date. The top opponents cost what they cost. If GBP won’t pay that then they can fight someone at a cheaper price point. But they usually end up paying the original opponents more in the end. So they are full of it too. Canelo isn’t taking a pay cut even if he fights someone willing to take a million. Rates aren’t reduced for the fans either. If smith prices himself out than that only gives BJS more leverage to make more. Where else is Canelo going to go? They’re running out of time. As a fan would u feel relieved to see Canelo fight a lesser opponent because that means he didn’t overpay a better one? But Canelo fighting a cheaper opponent only means Canelo is getting overpaid and at a much higher ratio than the guys who held out, which is why it’s not going to happen. I mean di u want to see the best fights possible or see GBP save some money?

[Shadoww702]

I’m still waiting for Canelo to confirm he’s fighting BJS. GBP low balls their opponents, and I know the argument is they’re getting way more than they ever made. But they always come back to the first name they negotiated with and they end up getting paid much more than the original offer. The four unarmed opponents willing to take the fight on the cheap don’t exist. Canelo missed one of his dates last year, and then paid Kovalev more than they ever said they would. Canelo doesn’t take a pay cut and the fans don’t get a discount, so fighting a fighter that comes cheapest is not a good look or sell. Nelo needs opponents. The cash cow always has to give his opponent the biggest purse of their life by a long shot. GBP tells us why the opponent deserves only so much because they aren’t popular then they will tell us why we need to pay full price to watch it?!! Everyone links arms when dealing with the cash cow, there’s lots of fighters but only so many managers and promoters. Canelo has a good chance of beating you up, and nobody expects to win a close fight against him on the cards. GBP were supposedly going to move on weeks ago from both fighters. No one believed that. Yeah things could work out bad for Smith, but this scenario is backed up by years of boxing precedent. I bet Beterbiev woulda come cheaper than both BJS and Smith by a long shot and most fans would have it a tougher challenge and Vegas included.

Fans don’t get a discount??? WTF are you talking about??? It’s a monthly fee??

[Blond Beast]

Fans don’t get a discount??? WTF are you talking about??? It’s a monthly fee??

U understand what I mean, in a ppv regardless of what the opponent costs we still have to pay the same. Yeah DAZN is a monthly fee, but Canelo also sat out a date last year that most subscribers woulda expected Canelo to have fought in. So that was a bit of bait and switch. There wasent a big fight that most expected but still paid for assuming it would happen. Canelo has said he’d fight so many times in a year, that sells subs, but it’s never been true. If GBP won’t pay what it costs to make the biggest fight available, and instead pays to fight someone of a lesser caliber to save them money why can’t it save the subs money? Canelo getting paid the same no matter who he fights. If Jacobs and Kovalev cost $10-$11 million why would u want to see Canelo turn down BJS or Smith at even less money? To fight someone who costs $1-$3million? A discount fighter, where the fans don’t save money only Canelo? Heck he might not even fight in May like last year and subscribers would be paying assuming he was going to. He can say he’s gonna fight four times and the best fighters, and it will never happen, but it’s not like u will get ur money back. How do u not understand how the fans can only get screwed? Canelo gets a set price, the fans pay a set price, and then they try to find the cheapest opponent possible. They also make a point of spacing out the fights so no two huge fights are close enough to give the fans too good of a deal in the same billing month. We will only ever get less than we are advertised, there’s no debate on this. Canelo didn’t fight as often as he was expected last year and u still pay the same. He’s never going to fight more often than expected. So u explain to me how we benefit from Canelo fighting a cheaper opponent? How are u going to sell a fight with an opponent who got signed because he was the cheapest while ur sub price stayed the same?!!

[Thuglife Nelo]

U understand what I mean, in a ppv regardless of what the opponent costs we still have to pay the same. Yeah DAZN is a monthly fee, but Canelo also sat out a date last year that most subscribers woulda expected Canelo to have fought in. So that was a bit of bait and switch. There wasent a big fight that most expected but still paid for assuming it would happen. Canelo has said he’d fight so many times in a year, that sells subs, but it’s never been true. If GBP won’t pay what it costs to make the biggest fight available, and instead pays to fight someone of a lesser caliber to save them money why can’t it save the subs money? Canelo getting paid the same no matter who he fights. If Jacobs and Kovalev cost $10-$11 million why would u want to see Canelo turn down BJS or Smith at even less money? To fight someone who costs $1-$3million? A discount fighter, where the fans don’t save money only Canelo? Heck he might not even fight in May like last year and subscribers would be paying assuming he was going to. He can say he’s gonna fight four times and the best fighters, and it will never happen, but it’s not like u will get ur money back. How do u not understand how the fans can only get screwed? Canelo gets a set price, the fans pay a set price, and then they try to find the cheapest opponent possible. They also make a point of spacing out the fights so no two huge fights are close enough to give the fans too good of a deal in the same billing month. We will only ever get less than we are advertised, there’s no debate on this. Canelo didn’t fight as often as he was expected last year and u still pay the same. He’s never going to fight more often than expected. So u explain to me how we benefit from Canelo fighting a cheaper opponent? How are u going to sell a fight with an opponent who got signed because he was the cheapest while ur sub price stayed the same?!!

No matter how much one tries, employers usually hire for what’s on your resume.

Jacobs and Kovalev have had how many appearances and PPV in the USA where Smith or BJs haven’t? Fans actually think that mgmt doesn’t factor in metrics? That’s it’s somehow just some random betting table to bluff the other without financial circumstances? It’s all meritocracy.