Imagine if Canelo NEVER fought GGG!

[texasboi15]

Canelo has spoiled boxing fans with every single thing they’ve asked for unfortunately he gets nothing but hate in return

If only GGG had spoiled his fans by moving up in weight to challenge Ward and capture titles in higher weight divisions.

[emceetns]

- -U redoable if U want it.

Canelo in a contractual lawsuit and a dispute with the WBC.

What, U a know it all noob to boxing?

I don't know what a "noob" is, but I looked up the "Canelo-WBC" issue to refresh my memory a bit:

in May of 2016 - when the sanctioning body ordered him to face Golovkin in a mandatory defense. At the time Canelo was the WBC champion at 160. Canelo vacated the belt, lashed out at the WBC and dropped down to 154-pounds to fight for the WBO title. For several fights, Canelo was refusing to fight for the WBC title.

https://abc13.com/sports/canelo-alvarez-now-eyes-mandatory-challenger-gennady-golovkin/1329114/

Am I a "know-it-all"? Nope, that's actually why I'm on this board: to contribute to threads and hopefully learn something in the process.

[JohnCastellanos]

I don't know what a "noob" is, but I looked up the "Canelo-WBC" issue to refresh my memory a bit:

in May of 2016 - when the sanctioning body ordered him to face Golovkin in a mandatory defense. At the time Canelo was the WBC champion at 160. Canelo vacated the belt, lashed out at the WBC and dropped down to 154-pounds to fight for the WBO title. For several fights, Canelo was refusing to fight for the WBC title.

https://abc13.com/sports/canelo-alvarez-now-eyes-mandatory-challenger-gennady-golovkin/1329114/

Am I a "know-it-all"? Nope, that's actually why I'm on this board: to contribute to threads and hopefully learn something in the process.

Yes that did happen but your research failed to lead you to the most important piece of the puzzle! Anyone that holds the silver wbc title is the mandatory challenger to the official champ and it entitles him to 45 percent of the purse. Now do you honestly believe a bonafied ppv star like Canelo was gonna share that much of the purse with a bum like ggg that couldn’t sell ppvs? This rule is also why Charlo was very vocal at one point to fighting ggg and Canelo. For that purse split Charlo was more than willing to lose that O, but once the WBC made Canelo the franchise champ he was no longer bound to such terms. Which is why as soon as that happened GDB sent Charlo an offer of about 10 million which he declined immediately. It seems like the franchise belt actually exposed Charlo as an oportunistic bum

[QballLobo]

He’s always willing to take the risks.
Going back to the Trout fight in 2013. Canelo was offered to be on another Mayweather undercard but he wanted assurances he would fight Floyd next. They refused so he set out to prove his a draw on his own. Trout was undefeated and coming off a win against Cotto in MSG. Golden Boy didn’t want him to take the fight as they felt it was too much of a risk and could kill a Mayweather fight if he lost.
He took the fight and filled up a football stadium in San Antonio (I was there live) and showed he was a big draw on his own.
Too many fighters are afraid to bet on themselves and just want the easy path.

[emceetns]

Yes that did happen but your research failed to lead you to the most important piece of the puzzle! Anyone that holds the silver wbc title is the mandatory challenger to the official champ and it entitles him to 45 percent of the purse. Now do you honestly believe a bonafied ppv star like Canelo was gonna share that much of the purse with a bum like ggg that couldn’t sell ppvs? This rule is also why Charlo was very vocal at one point to fighting ggg and Canelo. For that purse split Charlo was more than willing to lose that O, but once the WBC made Canelo the franchise champ he was no longer bound to such terms. Which is why as soon as that happened GDB sent Charlo an offer of about 10 million which he declined immediately. It seems like the franchise belt actually exposed Charlo as an oportunistic bum

I understand the business aspect of it, but are we more worried about Canelo's bottom line than we are about getting the best matchups? Let's look back at the Ring magazine top-10 at 160 from 2016:

Gennady Golovkin
Daniel Jacobs
Billy Joe Saunders
David Lemieux
Andy Lee
Chris Eubank Jr
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
Avtandil Khurtsidze
Maciej Sulecki
Ryota Murata

If Golovkin was a "bum that couldn't sell PPV's" then who else was Canelo supposed to fight? The funny thing is that Golovkin is the only one on the list who had ever headlined a PPV to that point and Lemieux was the B-side for that event. Golovkin-Lemieux did 97K PPV's but the other guys did "0".

Were you happy to see Canelo fight Liam Smith that year just because Smith was willing to fight for a smaller purse? I'm sure that Canelo could fight overmatched opponents and keep 90% of the money for the rest of his career if he wanted but do we really want that? Just because he's a bonafied PPV star?

One thing I will say is that I'm glad Canelo fought Golovkin twice. Regardless of how anyone feels about the timing or the official results, I'm glad we got to see two excellent fights.

[JohnCastellanos]

I understand the business aspect of it, but are we more worried about Canelo's bottom line than we are about getting the best matchups? Let's look back at the Ring magazine top-10 at 160 from 2016:

Gennady Golovkin
Daniel Jacobs
Billy Joe Saunders
David Lemieux
Andy Lee
Chris Eubank Jr
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
Avtandil Khurtsidze
Maciej Sulecki
Ryota Murata

If Golovkin was a "bum that couldn't sell PPV's" then who else was Canelo supposed to fight? The funny thing is that Golovkin is the only one on the list who had ever headlined a PPV to that point and Lemieux was the B-side for that event. Golovkin-Lemieux did 97K PPV's but the other guys did "0".

Were you happy to see Canelo fight Liam Smith that year just because Smith was willing to fight for a smaller purse? I'm sure that Canelo could fight overmatched opponents and keep 90% of the money for the rest of his career if he wanted but do we really want that? Just because he's a bonafied PPV star?

One thing I will say is that I'm glad Canelo fought Golovkin twice. Regardless of how anyone feels about the timing or the official results, I'm glad we got to see two excellent fights.

I was ok with Canelo going down to 154 and fighting Smith because I knew that Golovkin and the WBC we’re trying to blackmail Canelo. Canelo tried to reason with ggg and Loefflor but they held firm THE 45 percent split, and under no circumstance did I feel it was fair for Golovkin to be paid so well for a ppv that was guaranteed to sell over one million buys unless it was him bringing in the fans. We got the fight when we got it because that was when ggg finally agreed to the terms. The fight basically took 2 years to negotiate, not too bad compared to most mega fights and if ggg had been concerned with age and legacy then he could have took the 10 million offered to him originally. Just my opinion, no hard feelings

[emceetns]

I was ok with Canelo going down to 154 and fighting Smith because I knew that Golovkin and the WBC we’re trying to blackmail Canelo. Canelo tried to reason with ggg and Loefflor but they held firm THE 45 percent split, and under no circumstance did I feel it was fair for Golovkin to be paid so well for a ppv that was guaranteed to sell over one million buys unless it was him bringing in the fans. We got the fight when we got it because that was when ggg finally agreed to the terms. The fight basically took 2 years to negotiate, not too bad compared to most mega fights and if ggg had been concerned with age and legacy then he could have took the 10 million offered to him originally. Just my opinion, no hard feelings

Definitely no hard feelings and I enjoy hearing different perspectives.

Golovkin certainly could have taken the 10 million; I'm not sure what he ended up getting but I didn't get any of it so whatever lol. There were certainly pros and cons to each approach and like you said, at the very least we got two excellent fights while GGG was still competing at a high level.