Hmm. I scored Garcia/Vargas since people said it was controversial.

[Combat Talk Radio]

What an interesting fight. You've got Jesse Vargas who took four rounds from Manny and 6 rounds from Broner. Here, I had him winning, but JUST.

There were a couple of swing rounds.

Round 3 is one where people seem to have given it straight to Vargas. I didn't see it. He had a good start, minute 2 on, Mikey was sharper and more accurate.

Round 9 is a big one. I can see where someone gave it to Mikey, but I watched every punch he threw. They weren't doing anything to Jesse (Note should say Mikey, not Jesse). Landing, but not affecting him. He wasn't moving, his head wasn't moving and he was still coming forward. Meanwhile, Mikey had to reset every time Jesse hit him with a body shot.

Round 10, I could see giving to Mikey, but one thing I look for is, if you're effective in the first or last 30 seconds or minute of a round but otherwise doing nothing, there's no way I can give you the round if your opponent is still landing on you.

Any of those three rounds, I'm perfectly fine if you gave them to Mikey, and if you did, it explains the wide scorecard. It was a close fight only because Mikey wasn't active enough to put Vargas away and Vargas never fully recovered from the knockdown. So both guys were trying to match pace until the championship rounds when Jesse stepped it up.

Also, Round 5. Jesse got dropped but was still landing bombs on Mikey. That round could have been 10/9 in my opinion.

BTW - Round 12 - that smothering, that bullying, that's how Vargas should have fought starting from after he got dropped. I have no idea why he felt the need to keep trying to counter when it was clear that Mikey had adjusted. But Mikey never could handle that bullying tactic and looked horrible this round.

Mikey came off trying to fight like a slower version of Pipino Cuevas - popping in and out, landing for accuracy, tries to go to war when the opponent comes in but gets roughed up every time.

Anyway, not a robbery, a close fight, could have gone either way, a lot of swing rounds and two guys who were pacing themselves.

[famicommander]

I had it 6-6 with the knockdown edging it to Mikey. Would've been fine with 7-5 Vargas or 7-5 Mikey too. 8-4 either way is too wide.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Close fight, not a robbery.

[emceetns]

I had it 6-6 with the knockdown edging it to Mikey. Would've been fine with 7-5 Vargas or 7-5 Mikey too. 8-4 either way is too wide.

Agreed, I had it 115-112 for Mikey (7 rounds to 5 with the knockdown) but I could see 114-113 for Garcia as well. I think a lot of people scored rounds for Vargas on volume alone but Mikey landed the more telling blows throughout and I place more value on Garcia dictating the pace and doing more damage.

I also think it's worth mentioning that Vargas himself didn't complain about the decision so I'm not sure why so many people think it was a robbery. 116-111 was too wide but the right guy won.

[emceetns]

What an interesting fight. You've got Jesse Vargas who took four rounds from Manny and 6 rounds from Broner. Here, I had him winning, but JUST.

There were a couple of swing rounds.

Round 3 is one where people seem to have given it straight to Vargas. I didn't see it. He had a good start, minute 2 on, Mikey was sharper and more accurate.

Round 9 is a big one. I can see where someone gave it to Mikey, but I watched every punch he threw. They weren't doing anything to Jesse (Note should say Mikey, not Jesse). Landing, but not affecting him. He wasn't moving, his head wasn't moving and he was still coming forward. Meanwhile, Mikey had to reset every time Jesse hit him with a body shot.

Round 10, I could see giving to Mikey, but one thing I look for is, if you're effective in the first or last 30 seconds or minute of a round but otherwise doing nothing, there's no way I can give you the round if your opponent is still landing on you.

Any of those three rounds, I'm perfectly fine if you gave them to Mikey, and if you did, it explains the wide scorecard. It was a close fight only because Mikey wasn't active enough to put Vargas away and Vargas never fully recovered from the knockdown. So both guys were trying to match pace until the championship rounds when Jesse stepped it up.

Also, Round 5. Jesse got dropped but was still landing bombs on Mikey. That round could have been 10/9 in my opinion.

BTW - Round 12 - that smothering, that bullying, that's how Vargas should have fought starting from after he got dropped. I have no idea why he felt the need to keep trying to counter when it was clear that Mikey had adjusted. But Mikey never could handle that bullying tactic and looked horrible this round.

Mikey came off trying to fight like a slower version of Pipino Cuevas - popping in and out, landing for accuracy, tries to go to war when the opponent comes in but gets roughed up every time.

Anyway, not a robbery, a close fight, could have gone either way, a lot of swing rounds and two guys who were pacing themselves.

Good breakdown. I had it 115-112 for Mikey myself but I can appreciate you taking the time to explain your scorecard. I think Mikey was selective with his output because he didn't feel threatened by Vargas' power. The problem with that approach is that your opponent doesn't necessarily have to hurt you to score. I placed more value on Mikey doing damage than I did on Vargas' volume but I could see how others might see the fight differently.

[mike1010011]

What an interesting fight. You've got Jesse Vargas who took four rounds from Manny and 6 rounds from Broner. Here, I had him winning, but JUST.

There were a couple of swing rounds.

Round 3 is one where people seem to have given it straight to Vargas. I didn't see it. He had a good start, minute 2 on, Mikey was sharper and more accurate.

Round 9 is a big one. I can see where someone gave it to Mikey, but I watched every punch he threw. They weren't doing anything to Jesse (Note should say Mikey, not Jesse). Landing, but not affecting him. He wasn't moving, his head wasn't moving and he was still coming forward. Meanwhile, Mikey had to reset every time Jesse hit him with a body shot.

Round 10, I could see giving to Mikey, but one thing I look for is, if you're effective in the first or last 30 seconds or minute of a round but otherwise doing nothing, there's no way I can give you the round if your opponent is still landing on you.

Any of those three rounds, I'm perfectly fine if you gave them to Mikey, and if you did, it explains the wide scorecard. It was a close fight only because Mikey wasn't active enough to put Vargas away and Vargas never fully recovered from the knockdown. So both guys were trying to match pace until the championship rounds when Jesse stepped it up.

Also, Round 5. Jesse got dropped but was still landing bombs on Mikey. That round could have been 10/9 in my opinion.

BTW - Round 12 - that smothering, that bullying, that's how Vargas should have fought starting from after he got dropped. I have no idea why he felt the need to keep trying to counter when it was clear that Mikey had adjusted. But Mikey never could handle that bullying tactic and looked horrible this round.

Mikey came off trying to fight like a slower version of Pipino Cuevas - popping in and out, landing for accuracy, tries to go to war when the opponent comes in but gets roughed up every time.

Anyway, not a robbery, a close fight, could have gone either way, a lot of swing rounds and two guys who were pacing themselves.

It's interesting to see that you got the same exact card as myself and another poster,and gave basically the exact same reasons as to why those rounds went to Vargas. It seemed like the judges and announcers completely disregarded the bodywork,jabs,and right straights that Vargas was landing clean in the last 3rd of the fight.

[Combat Talk Radio]

It's interesting to see that you got the same exact card as myself and another poster,and gave basically the exact same reasons as to why those rounds went to Vargas. It seemed like the judges and announcers completely disregarded the bodywork,jabs,and right straights that Vargas was landing clean in the last 3rd of the fight.

Chris Mannix had the same scorecard up until Round 9, where he gave that to Mikey, and then the later rounds I didn't pay attention to his card.

It was clear that the focus was on Jesse's body language. He looked unstable every round onward and a lot of his punches did wing.

For me, the punches he was hitting Garcia with early was body shot/left over the guard. Mikey adjusted, but left himself wide open - I mean WIDE OPEN - for right hands over the top. Jesse threw a few but didn't have the same consistency that he had with the other combo.

I actually blame his trainer for not telling him to do what the commentator said at a point - use your F'n size and walk this guy down. The only time you got hurt was mid-throw but when you saw the punches, they didn't do anything to you. So WALK HIM DOWN! Smother him, lean on him, get inside and work that body. You got Mike MF'n McCallum in your corner yet you're trying to box at range like Julian Jackson. Why??

[mike1010011]

Chris Mannix had the same scorecard up until Round 9, where he gave that to Mikey, and then the later rounds I didn't pay attention to his card.

It was clear that the focus was on Jesse's body language. He looked unstable every round onward and a lot of his punches did wing.

For me, the punches he was hitting Garcia with early was body shot/left over the guard. Mikey adjusted, but left himself wide open - I mean WIDE OPEN - for right hands over the top. Jesse threw a few but didn't have the same consistency that he had with the other combo.

I actually blame his trainer for not telling him to do what the commentator said at a point - use your F'n size and walk this guy down. The only time you got hurt was mid-throw but when you saw the punches, they didn't do anything to you. So WALK HIM DOWN! Smother him, lean on him, get inside and work that body. You got Mike MF'n McCallum in your corner yet you're trying to box at range like Julian Jackson. Why??

Great points all around. Vargas had great success in the last round when he actually decided to lean on Garcia and push him fury style. The bigger man fought the smaller man's fight at the smaller man's distance. He also was leaving the left hand down,which was why he ate that right hand clean. If he would have put his earmuffs on,taken Garcia to the ropes,and gone to the body,we would have seen a much different fight. What do you think would happen if Garcia got in there with Porter or Crawford?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Great points all around. Vargas had great success in the last round when he actually decided to lean on Garcia and push him fury style. The bigger man fought the smaller man's fight at the smaller man's distance. He also was leaving the left hand down,which was why he ate that right hand clean. If he would have put his earmuffs on,taken Garcia to the ropes,and gone to the body,we would have seen a much different fight. What do you think would happen if Garcia got in there with Porter or Crawford?

I see Porter/Garcia going a similar way to Porter/Malignaggi, honestly.

Crawford...depends on the weight class. I think Crawford gets decisioned at 140 but wins a late round stoppage at 147.

[Nash out]

I had Garcia 115-112. I think it's being too generous giving Vargas all of the last four rounds. Garcia could have a claim for 2/3 of them. I had 115-112 Garcia, could see 114-113 but felt the right man definitely won. Wasn't great though. Decent fight, neither could come close to the best at 147. Garcia needs to drop back down to win titles, Vargas is what he is, a good contender.