I see why Wilder avoided Wlad.

[Articulateboxin]

I hope this finally sees an end to the Ortiz bs we read on this forum too. Seriously for anyone that spent even 10 minutes looking at his career, both as unpaid and paid, it's ridiculous he got so much hype.

[davefromvancouv]

I stand corrected. But Wlad would have destroyed him and did hurt him in sparring. Dillian Whyte says Wlad KO'd Wilder, While Jonathan Banks says he dropped him but didn't KO him.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/boxing/10721544/wilder-knocked-out-wladimir-klitschko-whyte/

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/6...r-ko-sparring/

Wladimir was never an aggressive fighter. I believe he would have been obliterated by Wilder. Sparring is another matter, restricting most sparring partners to specific drills and looks. Wladimir was also at the tail end of his career so Finkel kept him far away from Wilder, not to mention the fact that Wladimir had over a year to fight Wilder before choosing the greener and far less dangerous Joshua.

[NaijaD]

Wladimir was never an aggressive fighter. I believe he would have been obliterated by Wilder. Sparring is another matter, restricting most sparring partners to specific drills and looks. Wladimir was also at the tail end of his career so Finkel kept him far away from Wilder, not to mention the fact that Wladimir had over a year to fight Wilder before choosing the greener and far less dangerous Joshua.

How on earth did you come up with that when there are articles stating that Finkel didn't want Wilder in there with Wlad, you've literally produced alternate facts

Edit: If you can produce an article stating that Finkel wanted to keep Wlad away from Wilder and not the other way around then I'll stand corrected, we had an article on this very site where Finkel labelled Wilder "A baby" and said he won't be rushed to Wlad.

[davefromvancouv]

How on earth did you come up with that when there are articles stating that Finkel didn't want Wilder in there with Wlad, you've literally produced alternate facts

Edit: If you can produce an article stating that Finkel wanted to keep Wlad away from Wilder and not the other way around then I'll stand corrected, we had an article on this very site where Finkel labelled Wilder "A baby" and said he won't be rushed to Wlad.

Yes he did say that but Finkel managed both fighters and Wladimir was aging so he needed to be protected:

[deathofaclown]

I hope this finally sees an end to the Ortiz bs we read on this forum too. Seriously for anyone that spent even 10 minutes looking at his career, both as unpaid and paid, it's ridiculous he got so much hype.

Been saying it all along. I’ve said many times on here that Ortiz probably got overrated because he come with a reputation from being Cuban..

I’ve always said if you give his resume to an American fighter, nobody would rate him. He would’ve been considered around the level of guys like Breazeale.

I mean, i still give credit to Wilder for the wins, because the general consensus as Ortiz was one of the top Heavyweights, so you can only beat the guys people say are good.

But really, Ortiz dined out on a good performance over C level Jennings, 5 years ago. Apart from that, he got stopped by Wilder twice. Looked garbage against fighters like Malik Scott, Hammer etc..

[NaijaD]

Yes he did say that but Finkel managed both fighters and Wladimir was aging so he needed to be protected:

LOOOOL Finkel danced around that question and he never said Wlad needed to be protected specifically from Wilder but he is on record saying he wanted to keep Wilder away from Wlad. It's laughable that you think Wlad needed to kept away from a guy that he repeatedly sonned in training.

The proof is in the pudding as far as Wilder is concerned, his resume speaks volumes after 44 fights. The only reason last Saturday happened was because he thought he was cherry picking the Ghost of Fury in the first fight, the knockdowns gave him false confidence and that led to him going after the rematch. His handlers have always known he's very limited but his display of power in recent fights tricked them into being braver and that led to him being swiftly found out and destroyed.

Now people like Tarver are asking how on earth he got this far without any boxing ability whatsoever:

[davefromvancouv]

LOOOOL Finkel danced around that question and he never said Wlad needed to be protected specifically from Wilder but he is on record saying he wanted to keep Wilder away from Wlad. It's laughable that you think Wlad needed to kept away from a guy that he repeatedly sonned in training.

The proof is in the pudding as far as Wilder is concerned, his resume speaks volumes after 44 fights. The only reason last Saturday happened was because he thought he was cherry picking the Ghost of Fury in the first fight, the knockdowns gave him false confidence and that led to him going after the rematch. His handlers have always known he's very limited but his display of power in recent fights tricked them into being braver and that led to him being swiftly found out and destroyed.

Now people like Tarver are asking how on earth he got this far without any boxing ability whatsoever:

Thanks for the link. Tarver. Mayweather. Malignaggi. Ward. What do they all have in common? They are boxers who learned their craft from a very young age and had to box to win most of their fights.

They hate to see someone like Wilder come into the game late and do what he's done, better than any heavyweight has ever done it, in the way he's done. The Fury rematch was a learning experience. I'm still picking Wilder to win the rubber match.

With regards to Finkel, Wladimir was his cash cow at the time and he explained in the link I provided that he can to be careful with him. l already provided the links in this thread of Wilder calling out Wladimir...

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Wladimir was never an aggressive fighter. I believe he would have been obliterated by Wilder. Sparring is another matter, restricting most sparring partners to specific drills and looks. Wladimir was also at the tail end of his career so Finkel kept him far away from Wilder, not to mention the fact that Wladimir had over a year to fight Wilder before choosing the greener and far less dangerous Joshua.

I disagree. Wilder's handlers didn't think he was ready for Wlad. You honestly think him dropping Wilder in sparring wasn't indicative of what he would have done to him in an actual fight? How do you figure Joshua was "far less" dangerous? AJ got up from a knockdown and KO'd Klitschko.

[NaijaD]

Thanks for the link. Tarver. Mayweather. Malignaggi. Ward. What do they all have in common? They are boxers who learned their craft from a very young age and had to box to win most of their fights.

They hate to see someone like Wilder come into the game late and do what he's done, better than any heavyweight has ever done it, in the way he's done. The Fury rematch was a learning experience. I'm still picking Wilder to win the rubber match.

With regards to Finkel, Wladimir was his cash cow at the time and he explained in the link I provided that he can to be careful with him. l already provided the links in this thread of Wilder calling out Wladimir...

Tarver picked boxing up late in his early-mid twenties, he didn’t turn pro until he was 29. Starting late doesn’t stop a fighter picking up the basics which Wilder was clearly missing. Wilder often resembles someone who has never boxed before.

You’re free to pick him but basically what you’re hoping for is that he lands a lucky bomb this time because he lacks the boxing ability to make any adjustments especially between now and the rematch.

[davefromvancouv]

I disagree. Wilder's handlers didn't think he was ready for Wlad. You honestly think him dropping Wilder in sparring wasn't indicative of what he would have done to him in an actual fight? How do you figure Joshua was "far less" dangerous? AJ got up from a knockdown and KO'd Klitschko.

If Klitschko was so confident he could beat Wilder, why then did Klitschko offer Wilder step aside money to fight Stiverne for the WBC belt? (ringtv link)

https://www.******.com/338333-deonta...for-10-million

Why did Klitschko wait a full year, after Fury opted out of their rematch, to fight Joshua when he could have fought for the one belt he never possessed? Was it because Wilder possessed it or did he just lose interest?