"Bronze Bomber" Wilder vs Otto Wallin: Who wins?

[LoadedWraps]

And you're barometer is Wilder KO'ing a bunch of a past prime OAPs and binmen?
Wallin is no great shakes but hes a young fresh talented southpaw with a good chin, Wilder has never beaten any young talented boxers....ever, so on that point i would give Wallin a fair shot of winning.

It's no secret Wilder was protected and matched well coming up, but resume is only one variable.

There was no real threat under 30 that was a bigger risk than Ortiz, and there is definitely no fighter under 30 that is a bigger risk than Fury, so your point is moot. Age is a poor barometer in modern times, but keep over blowing the significance of it.

[mlac]

It's no secret Wilder was protected and matched well coming up, but resume is only one variable.

There was no real threat under 30 that was a bigger risk than Ortiz, and there is definitely no fighter under 30 that is a bigger risk than Fury, so your point is moot. Age is a poor barometer in modern times, but keep over blowing the significance of it.

So you are trying so say there was nobody Wilder could of fought that was in his 20's.. yet he was protected and matched carefully? don't those two things contradict each other?

The fact is Wilder only fought Ortiz because he was old as ****, and on blood pressure medication. Wilder was matched agaisnt guys who posed little to no threat and were over the hill & many of them still caused him massive problems. I hardly see how my point is moot. i think its a valid point that Wilder never faught a single guy in his prime, the one time he did he got battered, embarrassed and made to look like a complete and utter amateur.

Its not so much About Wallin its about the mirage of Wilder to me. I know you wanna big him up because hes Furys signature win but for me....put him in with anyone with a pulse & decent skills and he likely loses.

[daggum]

how can you compare a bum like wilder to the great otto "build the" wall-in

[champion4ever]

If Otto Wallin so much as dare to share the same ring as Deontay Wilder then it be would nighty night and sleep tight for him.

[daggum]

It's no secret Wilder was protected and matched well coming up, but resume is only one variable.

There was no real threat under 30 that was a bigger risk than Ortiz, and there is definitely no fighter under 30 that is a bigger risk than Fury, so your point is moot. Age is a poor barometer in modern times, but keep over blowing the significance of it.

joshua was under 30 when wilder ducked him to fight ortiz's corpse in a rematch and wilder admitted to cherry picking a fat coked up fury. he tried to take the easier road(according to popular opinion which yes could be wrong) but that was his mindset

[LoadedWraps]

So you are trying so say there was nobody Wilder could of fought that was in his 20's.. yet he was protected and matched carefully? don't those two things contradict each other?

The fact is Wilder only fought Ortiz because he was old as ****, and on blood pressure medication. Wilder was matched agaisnt guys who posed little to no threat and were over the hill & many of them still caused him massive problems. I hardly see how my point is moot. i think its a valid point that Wilder never faught a single guy in his prime, the one time he did he got battered, embarrassed and made to look like a complete and utter amateur.

Its not so much About Wallin its about the mirage of Wilder to me. I know you wanna big him up because hes Furys signature win but for me....put him in with anyone with a pulse & decent skills and he likely loses.

They don't contradict each other to me, because I'm the not one who thinks a fighter is harder to beat, or "better", because they are in their 20s.

Nobody under 30 was seen as better than Ortiz at the time. Certainly not by me, whom is making the statement.

Doesn't really matter what Wilder says about it. Ortiz is still imo a top 5 fighter in the division, top 10 without question. Don't care how old he is. His skillset is what I put most weight on.

[LoadedWraps]

joshua was under 30 when wilder ducked him to fight ortiz's corpse in a rematch and wilder admitted to cherry picking a fat coked up fury. he tried to take the easier road(according to popular opinion which yes could be wrong) but that was his mindset

Ortiz is a better win than AJ to me then, and now.

Don't confuse a belt holder /paper champ with being an actual threat.

Popular opinion is arguably more wrong than right in boxing, YDKSAB is a thing for a reason, most people don't have a clue. The majority opinion doesn't mean much to me.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Ortiz is a better win than AJ to me then, and now.

Don't confuse a belt holder /paper champ with being an actual threat.

Popular opinion is arguably more wrong than right in boxing, YDKSAB is a thing for a reason, most people don't have a clue. The majority opinion doesn't mean much to me.

To you maybe.

Ortiz has always been only a contender, which means, he is not better than Joshua. Of course not.

[LoadedWraps]

To you maybe.

Ortiz has always been only a contender, which means, he is not better than Joshua. Of course not.

I just can't agree.

The only reason AJ ever touched a belt is because Fury walked away from them.

You can find posts of me timestamped during his hiatus, reminding everyone here that AJ is only babysitting those belts, he is no rightful champion.

He can't get the respect like he won them legitimately.