Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury-Deontay Wilder II: Afterthoughts

[j.razor]

Beating a 50yo Ortiz will remain his best win in 44 fights which is quite tragic.

Ortiz aint that old, you over here putting up lies.

Aint you that same pvssy-g fan saying he's an all time great too?

[Straightener]

Wilder got found out for what he is .... a limited hype job

Fury will whoop him in the rematch too . He can’t box for shid !

[Idunnoshet]

I admit I was wrong.
Fury did exactly what he said he was gonna do and Wilder couldn't do a thing about it.
Wilder looked so limited in there that I knew after the first KD it was over.
Tyson Fury's the man.
No if , ands or buts.

[BigTony69]

Ortiz

People keep bringing up Ortiz. Ortiz is 147 years old.

[ChickenTikka]

I admit I was wrong.
Fury did exactly what he said he was gonna do and Wilder couldn't do a thing about it.
Wilder looked so limited in there that I knew after the first KD it was over.
Tyson Fury's the man.
No if , ands or buts.

Wilder fan or not, biased fan or not, this right here in bold is the truth (whether we like to admit it or not).

[jonnyc420]

Fury bullied D.Wilder & beat him up. We know Fury is the #1 heavyweight for sure now.

Been saying it for years. Good to see you finally caught up.

[bluemax]

Wilder's Reign is over

Huge Wilder fan and I was rooting for him Saturday night but he got his butt beat almost every second of every round. Wilder can punch but he has little boxing I.Q. and I still believe he was good for boxing I think his time has come and gone. Boxing is a mental game and once a guy like Wilder shows he's beatable every fight for now on will be different. Yes, he can still punch and if he hits anyone flush he'll put your lights out but the aura of invincibility is over and so is Wilder's reign. Wish him the best but at 34 he should take his health and money and go enjoy himself.

[Falkano]

Forget the dumb shet, you know damn well Ortiz was/is a top 5 heavyweight.

He really isn't.

He had a crap amateur career and did nothing of note.
In his 15th pro fight he was fighting in a rec centre.
To put that into comparison to other fighters AJ was a world champion at that point.
In his 19th fight he was fighting in a club.
To put that further into perspective AJ had all the titles but 2 at that point.
After his 21st fight he was fighting in the joint club and was then banned for taking drugs.
Aj was fighting another world champion at that point.

Ortiz came into the pro game near to 30 years old and should have targeted high profile fights asap. He didn't take them.

The two times he stepped up to world level he got KO'ed.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

Forget the dumb shet, you know damn well Ortiz was/is a top 5 heavyweight.

sure - Ortiz probably WAS a top 5 Hw - around 5 years before Wilder chose to fight him the 1st time!!

[Gamboal00]

There were multiple reasons why Wilder got the worse beating of his life. It's easy to say now after the fact, but it has become clear now:

1. Wilder said Fury changing trainer/team was sign of weakness. It was actually Fury's strength. His team gave Fury better prep and tactics for this fight. New ideas and learning is beneficial in a sport like boxing, especially if you lost the first fight.

2. On the trainers/team, Wilder's has got to be the worse of any world champion. We got the silent Breland who in an interview before the fight said there was no way Fury would try to KO Wilder. He did not prepare his fighter for a plan B, which is shocking. Even after we saw Fury was coming forward, Breland gave no orders to change in the corner. Like watching an oncoming car crash in slow motion but not turning the wheel. Deas seems like a nice guy but he's totally out of his depth compared to guys at Kronk gym. The other guys in Wilder's camp, watching the videos, seems a mix of friends and yes men, too afraid or without authority to challenge Wilder or correct his mistakes, like his 'fitness coach'.

3. Lack of skill/training. This same tired group around that have been with Wilder for years have never taught him some of the boxing fundamentals. It is shocking and this was on display in his mauling - he can't move his head or change levels to defend himself, he just leans back upright all the time. He can't throw proper hooks or combos. His footwork is poor. He couldn't do anything to keep Fury from advancing as he can't box properly, just flings a jab and that right hand.

4. Tactics. Not only did Fury beat Wilder with better tactics on the night, he also beat him with mental warfare before the fight. He/his team are smart. This is a fight, you do what you can to get advantages. I'm talking about Fury apparently bluffing with his weight to confuse Wilder at the weigh in (Davison said he wasn't actually 270lbs). Confusing Wilder by making his 'I'm going to KO you' seem like a bluff to which Wilder and his team completely fell for. Then we had Wilder going around giving interviews saying 'I like Fury as a person'. What kind of frame of mind is this before a do or die fight?

5. Wilder's ego. Being surrounded by yes men and defending his title 10 times against mostly poor opposition would have the effect to inflate anyone's ego, but Wilder before this fight seemed slightly deluded. This meant he has never fixed his fundamental flaws, and thought he could beat a very good boxer with only a limited plan A.