Fury is no longer planning on standing toe to toe

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  • keepemup
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    #21
    Wilder doesn't like to trade himself at all. He'll kindly back up in order to make space to throw his patented 1-2.

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      #22
      He was never going to go toe to toe, too risky when he knows he can out box windmiller.

      That said, I'm picking Windmiller by ko with sloppy uncoordinated looping right hand.

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        #23
        Originally posted by MDPopescu
        Fury didn't fight "short" the big bad guys (Wlad, Wilder)... (Just who Wallin is?)...
        He didn't fight short against Wlad/Wilder because he didn't have to, he was comfortable outboxing both of them long.

        Fury can fight on the inside if he has to, or chooses to.

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          #24
          Originally posted by denium
          He didn't fight short against Wlad/Wilder because he didn't have to, he was comfortable outboxing both of them long.

          Fury can fight on the inside if he has to, or chooses to.
          ... He didn't have to fight from the "inside" vs Wlad (who didn't load anything)... But Wilder did floor him twice (the second time being like some 1 second short from KO)... Anyway: between the first KD and the second, Fury wasn't able to fight Wilder from the "inside", right?...

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            #25
            Yeah I feel there are a lot of misconceptions around this whole fight... Neither fighter can massively change at this stage of their career, and neither really need or want to. That said, I think Fury is hoping to sit down on his shots just a little bit more and probably aim to walk Wilder onto something, Fury finds it easy to make 'em miss but he just doesn't tend to properly make 'em pay!

            As others have said re Wilder, he doesn't trade or stand in the pocket. His understanding of range and ability to execute on the button is outrageous, really exceptional. His orthodox boxing skills aren't though. So he isn't looking to swing in the pocket, he wants people to creep into his range and get lazy and then BOOM! Lights out baby.

            My prediction here, if Fury puts it all together the way he's shown he can at times, is that we are going to see a Calzaghe-Lacy style boxing lesson and absolute dismantling of a one-weapon powerhouse. If the stoppage comes it'll be from mental exhaustion and beffudlement.

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              #26
              Originally posted by MDPopescu
              ... He didn't have to fight from the "inside" vs Wlad (who didn't load anything)... But Wilder did floor him twice (the second time being like some 1 second short from KO)... Anyway: between the first KD and the second, Fury wasn't able to fight Wilder from the "inside", right?...
              I'm not sure what your point is bro. Fury completely outboxed Wilder on the outside, so why would he suddenly change tactic?

              The first KD was a glancing blow that didn't hurt Tyson, and the second was in the 12th so tactics wasn't really an issue at that point.

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                #27
                Originally posted by MDPopescu
                ... You must be joking... vs a small cruiser?... here are the highlights:

                Tyson Fury can fight on the inside, he has just not done it at elite level 'I have described Tyson Fury as a one trick pony at elite level, in this rematch? I think he is going to attempt to mixed things up much more' Wilder has not evolved his offense to the point where he is dangerous with all of his punches, he is about 50% less dangerous on the inside.

                Deontay Wilder punches hard, but his offense is not evolved to the level of Mike Tyson's 'If you smother his punches, you are reducing his power generation significantly etc'

                Mike Tyson had the ability to generate power within a space of afew inches, highly evolved offense.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by denium
                  I'm not sure what your point is bro. Fury completely outboxed Wilder on the outside, so why would he suddenly change tactic?

                  The first KD was a glancing blow that didn't hurt Tyson, and the second was in the 12th so tactics wasn't really an issue at that point.
                  He may have out boxed him, which many boxers at heavyweight can probably also do 'But Tyson Fury's goal should be to beat him up/demoralize him etc' THIS is not the Olympics, this is not a amateur Olympic fight.

                  If Tyson Fury jabs, closes the distance then rough houses him, gets afew shots off over and over again 'Maybe just maybe he can break Wilder'.

                  I honestly do not think Fury is good enough to avoid being hit for 12 rounds straight, Tyson Fury's offense is kind of slightly overrated 'He gets hit all of the time, and always has done'.
                  Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 02-19-2020, 08:27 AM.

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                    #29
                    He's always been full of **** and anyone who believed him is gullible.

                    Ben told Tyson at the end of the 11th to go in close and smother Wilder. ....going on the inside this time is he? DKSAB

                    In the 12th, After Wilder KD'd Fury who landed nothing prior in the round, Wilder then forced Fury to the ropes, Fury clinches then circles out, then Wilder forces Fury to the ropes closer to the screen on the showtime broadcast, Fury catches Wilder, Wilder clinches and they circle apart. The broadcasters even say " Wilder doesn't look hurt he looks tired" Center of the ring, Fury pumps jabs Wilder circles around him swatting away Fury's jabs, less than 30 seconds in the round. Fury lands some real weight less shots that don't even have enough pepper to wrinkle the gloves, Wilder clinches, Jack resets them, there's ten seconds in the round, Wilder runs, literally, to the center and lands a right from way away, Fury rides the shot. 2 seconds in the round. Deontay lunges with a jan, misses, bell rings.

                    Backed up who with what? Y'all delusional as ****. I have the fight. I'll upload the whole damn round if I have to. At no point did Tyson Fury back Wilder up period. Tyson hardly landed a punch that round and when he did it was worthless. He had one punch Wilder actually reacted to and Wilder didn't back up , he clinched.


                    I've heard Fury fans claim the first KD was a slip, even though Tyson was in the corner ducking at the waist, not moving his feet at all, it was a slip.

                    Now y'all want to play like Fury did something in the 12th that had any affect on Wilder at all.

                    Absolute nonsense.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
                      He may have out boxed him, which many boxers at heavyweight can probably also do 'But Tyson Fury's goal should be to beat him up/demoralize him etc' THIS is not the Olympics, this is not a amateur Olympic fight.

                      If Tyson Fury jabs, closes the distance then rough houses him, gets afew shots off over and over again 'Maybe just maybe he can break Wilder'.

                      I honestly do not think Fury is good enough to avoid being hit for 12 rounds straight, Tyson Fury's offense is kind of slightly overrated 'He gets hit all of the time, and always has done'.
                      A fight is a fight, you win on points or via a KO. If Fury wins more rounds than Wilder, he deserves to win the fight regardless of circumstances.

                      I see no reason why a fitter and healthier Fury won't win again, this time far more clearly. Wilder fought the worst possible version of Fury and still lost.

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