Ever since Fury changed trainers, I've been convinced he'll lose

[KillaMane26]

Ik for a fact everything he changed will b brought up once he lose tho. The trainer, his gameplan, the ************ lmao!!

[pillowfists98]

I don't think the trainer will make much of a difference. Fury has fought in the same style pretty much his whole career.

[MrBillion]

I think the same, however, if either one gets stopped early I genuinely wouldn't be surprised.

I'm confident in Fury winning as always but Wilder just has that reach and punch.

Well Fury is 6'9 his reach and jab will do WAY more damage than Wilders. Who don't really strong jab he just flicks it out to set up right hand.

[PAC-BOY]

I have seen nothing from the fury camp to suggest he's in great shape. at all.

now

[billeau2]

Can anyone put up any point to change my mind?

I think he'll lose, likely by KO.

I predict, no matter what happens that he'll be back with Ben Davison for his next fight.

Ill punch ya in the nose on the cobbles if ya don't change yer mind! Didn't work? OK...

1) Lets look at precident. Most times the puncher loses a bit of an advantage in the rematch because it is harder to make a punch work again, than defend against the punch. Experience goes to the boxer percentage wise in these rematches, all other factors being equal.

2) Appearance versus Reality. When we see someone with one punch power it always looks like all they have to do is connect once... But looks are deceptive. What really is happening?

For a period of 3 minutes a round a boxer has to avoid being ht with one punch. In this case it is a fighter with one good hand, and who is not able to box on the level of his opponent. Fury has mobility and experience. All he really has to do is avoid a right hand enough to win rounds. He can even get knocked down a few times.

3) Fury can say anything he wants...He might even be constructing an elaborate ruse... We do not know if he intends to challenge Wilder on a level where Wilder can uncork a good shot. even so: the punch that devistates is not usually thrown in an exchange, it catches the person by suprise. Like it did Ortiz.

4) Again perception versus reality: Wilder does not win rounds. He is careless and relies upon hitting his opponent a certain amount of times in a 12 round fight. most punchers use this math, whether they disguise it with other weapons like Joe Louis, or just uncork like Max Baer: They do not necessarily care if they land those punches throughout, or in one round, the point being to know that if they connect "x" amount of times, the probability becomes that the opponent will get KO'ed.

The problem is that if we break the fight down into two six round fights for example, and if Wilder, as is often the case, does not win a round in that first 6 round fight... Essentially there is nothing in his favor for the second 6 round fight: Fury has more awareness in this second part, can stay away from the right hand, and will have learned how to minimize the punch better. one could argue the odds are greater that the puncher will find his guy IF he has not connected, but the skill it takes to avoid one punch is easy to execute compared to hitting the target perfectly and making sure the target is KO'ed.

Wilder caught Fury last time because there were lapses, and to his credit Wilder straightened the punch out. But Fury would have to let this happen again... Thats not probable. Incidently, this is a good reason to predict a short fight, if one thinks Wilder will win. Wilder would have to catch Fury making adjustments. that is possible.

Wilder could land a big punch. Wilder could catch Fury making adjustments as he did last fight. Wilder could punch through an exchange and catch Fury cold...Like he did with Ortiz...Ortiz was well on his way to winning that fight, but at the last second of that round he did not see Wilder's punch, probably because he had thrown his own shot. Another great example of this is when an older Shannon Briggs beat that Eastern European fighter (with an L) in the last seconds of the last round... Punchers can do these things, but they are somewhat rare.

the smart money versus the dumb money works like this in this fight: It looks like the puncher is home free, all it takes is one shot, Fury us even asking for it! And wilder is bigger now!

First of all: since when does Wilder need extra weight on his punch? His power comes from speed and explosiveness, like a much stronger version of Haye. The weight does nothing for him except, one might recall that his stamina can be lacking down the stretch at times...and he did not have this problem when he fought Fury.

In reality the odds are with avoiding the punch. wilder has one strong arm, he needs a host of things to line up to catch Fury, and Fury has been able to take the shot.

Another way to look at the odds professionally: You have a one handed puncher who has one way to win this fight, he will not outpoint fury in all probability. Fury, on the other hand, could win on points, could KO Wilder...Wilder has shown that he can be hurt, nobody has tried to go all in on him.

Finally here are some wild cards to consider: The cut fury endured. The change in trainer for Fury. Wilder does have a clean slate coming in... Problem is Wilder has not really gained enough experience to pose a threat to Fury with his jab.

[billeau2]

No one needs a point I saw your last claims about how Fury will lose the last time and then you went quiet awhile which almost everyone does but it is what it is.

My prediction is now seeing it clearer ,Fury will most likely win and hurt Wilder this time not just paly with him and then get knocked down himself /

My guess is you want vindication from your almost guaranteed a Wilder win last time because Fury wasn't ready .

You're jumping ship again and for another reason Fury will probably win .so you'll get another one wrong this time for the opposite reason the last you said Fury wasn't ready and will get brutally knocked out . This is the good thing about really studying fights like we clashed bf I know what im looking at do you ? Not so sure ,though its a 50/50 for me with Fury having 90% of the advantages tells me he wins .

Can I point you to change your mind ? Not sure your style allows that ,but I will say Fury over 260 and Wilder around 220 has Fury winning the fight ,Fury isn't a dope and will **** Wilder hard to disrupt him and it game over if he does that early .Smart money would be on fury ,Wilder needs to hurt him early and I don't see it happening ,i actually see Wilder getting rocked early.

LOl Great minds are in the same gutter. I just posted to this thread and am reading your take.

[_Rexy_]

Can anyone put up any point to change my mind?

I think he'll lose, likely by KO.

I predict, no matter what happens that he'll be back with Ben Davison for his next fight.

Still thinking of it as 50/50 but the change didn't make sense to me. If Sugar Hill is that real Kronk guy, then how come no Kronk fighters decided to train with him after Manny died? Andy Lee didn't. Wlad didn't. Tony Harrison isn't training with Sugar Hill. This new gym just seems like Kronk in name.

[billeau2]

He looked a little pugy in his last fight . He said he was gonna come in heavier. Dont know if that an advantage for him or he wants Wilder to come in heavy also.

I see it this way: Fury has never really had stamina problems since he established himself. Wilder has had occasion when he was tired to a point it affected his punching. The first Ortiz fight for example. With this experience in mind, Fury carrying more weight, having had time to adjust to it does not disturb me. On the other hand Wilder's power is in his delivery. He is explosive and quick, I do not see how extra weight will help him. Guys like Foreman are heavy handed. In fact, while the second coming of big George was not equal to the first, at 270ish when he caught Moore... weight planted, it looked like a sledge hammer. Point being that all that weight, for the purposes of that punch benefitted Foreman.

Wilder does not punch that way and if I was training him I would want him light and explosive as could be, so he could punch as hard the last round as the first.

[billeau2]

Well Fury is 6'9 his reach and jab will do WAY more damage than Wilders. Who don't really strong jab he just flicks it out to set up right hand.

and....that would be a real problem for Wilder. Its like you have a date with the hottest girl in the neighborhood but find out that a 20 year old Rachel Welch wants to go out at the same time lol.

Wilder has been developing that jab and done a decent job using it at times, but there is no way he can use that to nullify Fury's jab. One girl, one jab, is just a lot more than the other one. Fury does not even throw his jab right half the time, bending his elbow out. But he knows hot to use it and his timing is impeccable.

[PAC-BOY]

I see it this way: Fury has never really had stamina problems since he established himself. Wilder has had occasion when he was tired to a point it affected his punching. The first Ortiz fight for example. With this experience in mind, Fury carrying more weight, having had time to adjust to it does not disturb me. On the other hand Wilder's power is in his delivery. He is explosive and quick, I do not see how extra weight will help him. Guys like Foreman are heavy handed. In fact, while the second coming of big George was not equal to the first, at 270ish when he caught Moore... weight planted, it looked like a sledge hammer. Point being that all that weight, for the purposes of that punch benefitted Foreman.

Wilder does not punch that way and if I was training him I would want him light and explosive as could be, so he could punch as hard the last round as the first.

Fury is heavy handed as well. He his slick and like to box. But hes been the distance 10 times out of 29 fights. One being a draw. Hes got pop. So does Wilder. Gonna be interesting .