Comments Thread For: Photos: Jeff Horn, Tim Tszyu - Face To Face at Kickoff Presser

[komandante]

Horn beating Pac was a fluke.

[Dat]

This is an interesting match, I’d be interested to know if Tim is as good as his old man. If he pulls it off then it’s a changing of the guard for Australian boxing. Jeff Horn’s back is against the wall on this one so I think he’ll give it his all as well. Good luck to both

[Combat Talk Radio]

Lol.. Jeff horn is a legend for robbing a Legend with some home cooking!? Bob was trying to use that lost.. To secure pacmans last fights.. But pac left Arum.. And got to fight AB, and Thurman. And has his pick on whoever else he wants to fight at the top.. Spence, Garcia, Porter etc. Jeff Horn is a pure bar fighter!! Nothing more, nothing less..

Jeff Horn has already done what Brook and Khan failed to do, which is beat a middleweight as a once-welterweight.

Jeff Horn is now A-Siding major drawing fights in his country. Unlike Crawford.

A "pure bar fighter" wouldn't be able to accomplish so much in such a short time span. Ask Ruslan.

[Boxing Goat]

It's crazy how much Tim favors his dad. I will be pulling for him.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Looks just like his dad.

Exactly what I was gonna say.

[NachoMan]

It's crazy how much Tim favors his dad. I will be pulling for him.

He is a straight-up clone of the old man. Just needs the rat tail braid and he will run through Horn. Without it, I give Horn the advantage.

[Boxing Goat]

He is a straight-up clone of the old man. Just needs the rat tail braid and he will run through Horn. Without it, I give Horn the advantage.

Lol right on right on

[5000boxing]

Jeff Horn has already done what Brook and Khan failed to do, which is beat a middleweight as a once-welterweight.

Jeff Horn is now A-Siding major drawing fights in his country. Unlike Crawford.

A "pure bar fighter" wouldn't be able to accomplish so much in such a short time span. Ask Ruslan.

Ok o.k.. Bar fighter was a bit much.. I admit, I'm still a bit butthurt that Horn took my money vs Pac.. Lmao. I checked out what u said.. He has a good buzz in his country.. Much respect on that one! Do you really think horn beat Pac? An secondly, do u think horn is a legend?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Ok o.k.. Bar fighter was a bit much.. I admit, I'm still a bit butthurt that Horn took my money vs Pac.. Lmao. I checked out what u said.. He has a good buzz in his country.. Much respect on that one! Do you really think horn beat Pac? An secondly, do u think horn is a legend?

Horn beat Manny by one round. It was a close fight. Manny shouldn't have let it get that close.

People who say Horn lost were influenced by Manny's few effective punches in the last 30 seconds of rounds, the wide scorecard, or the rough infighting. My thing is this: just like Paulie once said, there's no such thing as a "clean fighter", the ones that win are the ones that know how to test how much the ref will let them get away with.

Mark Nelson, an American, let Horn impose his will. That means it was up to Manny to do something about it, and for 7 rounds he failed. It was a very close fight though. At least three swing rounds.

I don't care if people think Manny won a close fight, my problem is with a robbery narrative. Manny didn't take the guy seriously and paid for it with an L. That's what happened. Just like Joshua/Ruiz 1. That's what happens when you overlook these young, hungry fighters.

Here was my play-by-play and notes from the fight that night, and I still stand by what I saw.

I'll bite. And for the record, I'm watching the version WITHOUT Teddy Atlas.

Round 1: 0-1 Horn
Watch what Jeff is doing. He uses jabs and the right to make Manny step backwards, then follows up with additional punches because Manny isn't going side to side to evade anything. He nails Manny with the right tons of times and roughhouses him to show he doesn't respect this man. As Manny Steward always said, the worst thing you can do against a straight puncher is go backwards.

Manny has a few counters of note, but overall, Horn was more active, more aggressive and controlled the pace of the fight.

Round 2: 0-2 Horn
Jeff is feinting with the jab to make Manny drop his hands so he can land something. Meanwhile he's constantly - CONSTANTLY - moving laterally and forcing Manny to reset himself. Manny lunges in frustration and gets tagged on quite a few occasions.

Jeff pulls a Porter and "linebackers" to again force Manny back to the ropes so he can go to the body. No respect given.

Manny is in full counter attack mode and has SOME success, but Horn is just too active. Manny tried to steal the round at the end, but he only landed a few punches at best and no combos like he usually would.

Round 3: 1-2 Manny
Inside work. Jeff keeps closing the distance and landing short right hooks. Manny keeps getting walked back. More bullying from Horn and Manny goes into clam mode. Horn is getting hit but he's rolling a lot of the punches. More counterattack mode from Manny and no combos. He even shoulder rolls for a hot minute. Look at the head movement from Horn. I gave this to Manny as the main 'swing' round, he landed really good counters.

Round 4: 1-3 Horn

Horn straight bullies Manny, then shoots straight up the middle. Timing for shots. Feints in with a jab combo then lands a flush right. Manny is doing the walking down now, but Horn is much more active than Manny. Strafes him while throwing - shades of prime Manny. Manny isn't landing anything of note and is getting pushed back.

Round 5: 2-3 Manny
Excellent body work by Horn and great work against the ropes. Manny lands some good shots coming in as Horn gasses late, but Horn is just swinging for the fences. He had some success but I didn't see he had enough to stop Manny's counter.

Round 6: 2-4 Horn
Horn's work on the ropes was excellent (uppercuts too) and Manny didn't have an answer until he brought it back to the center. Manny gets butted but it didn't affect him. Horn is again bullying Manny and pushing him back but Manny is finally back to strafing a little bit. Manny tries to go for his signature combo and gets NAILED to the body, backed up and bullied again. Manny landed some punches, but Horn was way more aggressive.

Round 7: 2-5 Horn
Old Manny starts to show up here as his punches are making Horn reset a bit. As long as Manny stays in the middle he seems to have more success. Horn's size may be playing a factor this time, he keeps "linebackering" Manny to make him reset. Horn's getting hit much more this time than in previous rounds, another headbutt, still doesn't seem to affect Manny. Horn lands the right hand at will late in the fight and tags him on the ropes. Manny finally steps up to try and save the round but I don't think it was enough.

Round 8: 3-5 Manny
Horn effective with the jab and trying to get inside for more, but Manny is in 100% counter mode. Horn gets pushed down - had Manny been at range, it would have been a clear knockdown but he was too close. Jeff combos to get in close but isn't as effective as before. Manny nailing some good shots to the body and Horn gets chinchecked late.

Round 9: 4-5 Manny
Horn comes out strong with the right. Manny wobbles him with a huge left. Now
Horn is on the backfoot ala Hearns against Hagler; he's out on his feet. Walking back and Manny starts pivoting with shots clean. Easy to score this one; shades of Bradley/Vargas round 12. This is where all of Horn's facial damage came from - this ONE round.

"Show me something in this round (10) or I'm gonna stop it!"

Round 10: 4-6 Horn
Horn hasn't fully recovered but he's using the jab to keep Manny off so he can recover. Manny is still landing shots but his activity has gone down from the last round; he's demoralized this guy is still in front of him. Horn kicks up the adrenaline until he gets his legs back and keeps pushing Manny back with the jab. Horn nails Manny on a hook exchange and Manny goes back tentative. Manny is getting hit again and stops throwing.

Round 11: 5-6 Manny
This is Arum's 'swing' round. Horn's back on strong legs. Manny lands some shots but gets backed up to the ropes constantly. Great body work from Horn this round. Manny lands flush shots and Horn's chin is on display. Manny jabs the hell out of him to close the round. Clear Manny round for me.

Round 12 5-7 Horn
Horn is laying it all on the line as he comes out throwing for the fences - he knows he has to show up this round. More linebacking while Manny goes for the body to slow him down. Horn lands thudding blows up and downstairs. Horn starts eating shots so he can give some in return. Solid flurry and pivot by Manny as Horn is getting caught, but then Manny gasses and starts getting nailed with shots. Manny is now the one initiating clinches, then Horn comes in with the "linebacker" mode and throws the right up the pipe. They swing for the fences to finish, but Horn got the better of the exchange.


115-113 - Jeff "The Hornet" Horn.

So No, Horn isn't a legend, but he's already surpassed guys like Naseem Hamed and Edwin Valero as far as resume.

[Richard G]

Horn beat Manny by one round. It was a close fight. Manny shouldn't have let it get that close.

People who say Horn lost were influenced by Manny's few effective punches in the last 30 seconds of rounds, the wide scorecard, or the rough infighting. My thing is this: just like Paulie once said, there's no such thing as a "clean fighter", the ones that win are the ones that know how to test how much the ref will let them get away with.

Mark Nelson, an American, let Horn impose his will. That means it was up to Manny to do something about it, and for 7 rounds he failed. It was a very close fight though. At least three swing rounds.

I don't care if people think Manny won a close fight, my problem is with a robbery narrative. Manny didn't take the guy seriously and paid for it with an L. That's what happened. Just like Joshua/Ruiz 1. That's what happens when you overlook these young, hungry fighters.

Here was my play-by-play and notes from the fight that night, and I still stand by what I saw.



So No, Horn isn't a legend, but he's already surpassed guys like Naseem Hamed and Edwin Valero as far as resume.

It's interesting that your's are the only coherent fight notes I've ever seen for Horn -v- Packy. All the anti Horn stuff I've ever seen is random 'dirty fighter' allegations, strange that only in that fight have such allegations ever been made, no other before or after Horn fights.

As you said Packy took Horn too lightly, not only that but he allowed Horn to dictate the fight, two crucial mistakes. But hey, let's blame Horn