Why is there so much hate on NSB for GGG?

[Boxing_1013]

Man you gave GGG like alll the early rounds in the 2nd fight!!!!

I had some GGG fans watching the fight and they would of slapped you for that dumb sht scorecard! We was like damn GGG in trouble but he came on strong the later rounds.

Biatch just quit being a liar and post you gave ggg EVERY round and it wasn’t even close... Someone is going to KUTFO with your ****** crayon color scorecards. One of these days your going to say ****** sht at a bar or fight and get dropped!!!! Fools don’t play with their money! You show up saying they lost when they won.... Just record it.

Both fights were very similar...early rounds, GGG was still outlanding Canelo, but they were close rounds...Canelo's speed and counters made them nip and tuck rounds...in the 2nd fight, GGG was outlanding Canelo, but Canelo landed the best shot or shots of the round...made them close rounds...Canelo doesn't get extra points on my card just because he does anything good at all in a round.

All I can say is if Canelo and GGG were switched and fought each other's fights... I would say Canelo won both 8-4...I think you would then say that Canelo won both 10-2...all I can say my friend.

[Boxing_1013]

No, we didn't.



You also don't see air..


No, it isn't. Jacobs was a good win. The rest are trash..


Hopkins EASILY. Trinidad, Glen Johnson, Keith Holmes and William Joppy - those four names collectively trump the whole of Bumlvokin's wins to date..

Bro that is kind of my point...big upping those 4 fighters, and slighting a lot of guys that GGG ran through...just makes 0 sense lol...especially since Trinidad had just come up from WW like a year or two before...that is hardly a much better win than GGG's over Brook...like how do you big up that win and then completely trash GGG's over Brook...just makes 0 sense my friend.

[Boxing_1013]

didnt score canelo GGG

FIRST time ward by a point, next time, Kov by 2 points, 3rd time a draw. was a razor thin fight no robbery.

Thanks...I think saying 'GGG wasn't what he was made out to be by some' is a fair argument...you could make that for any fighter though really...but it is a fair one.

I think that to really have a firm opinion on him you have to factor in those 2 Canelo fights and how you viewed/scored them though...I thought he would be a bit better in each fight, but at the same time, I still thought he won both quite cleanly...mainly because of his activity...his stamina/workrate just make him a tough fight for Canelo who tends to fight in spurts...my 2 cents anyway.

OK I disagree about the Ward-Kov fight but thanks for responding.

[Boxing_1013]

what slippage? dude looks like he always has and we can only assume slippage because of his age

he never had great speed defense or reflexes, hasnt been in any wars


guys like roman gonzalez, Manny Pacquaio, etc have more ring wear and tear than this guy who basically only fought 3 top tier middleweights his entire career

dude Ouma was shot to bits thats why i didnt bring it up and he isnt a big puncher. he supposed to have dominated him in that condition plus that fight was ages ago. Dude went almost 20 fights knocking out C class and B class guys taking minimal punishment


as far as his chin he hasnt even been in with fighters considered big punchers and the one decent one he fought, he chose to box him majority of the rounds for fear of being countered all night(canelo)


GGG was never that great to begin with, just a very good fighter with power.


"you seem a bit new to the sport"...naw, i just dont jump on bandwagons...been a die hard boxing fan all of my life and middleweight is one of my favorite divisions....guys like Michael Nunn, Sumbu kalambay have better resumes and didnt recieve the hype this guy did.....even counting regular belt defenses with super titles to make up some kind of record lol...his resume is weak for a top 3 p4p guy probably one of the weakest ever.......daniel Geale, Lemieux, Ouma are not the type of opponents to build a hall of fame resume...

I don't think you can just say GGG has power...when you look at how accomplished he was as an amateur, and then also how great of a jab he has...if he was just a one trick pony, he would have been exposed by now...and he isn't really a 1 punch KO guy...he just imo has good skills and good power and breaks you down that way.

And I mean he's never been REALLY exposed btw...like Monroe outboxing him or Brook etc...and I would say Jacobs Stevens and Lemieux are probably all bigger punchers than Canelo...well Canelo is somehow continuing to punch harder and harder now...but they are all 4 basically in the same category.

I just feel that from studying other current fighters, or even past guys, most guys do not dominate when they face 15 or so solid pros...most guys have a slip up...GGG never did and that just really impresses me...it's not easy to do.

I brought up Ouma bc you said he hasn't been in any wars...regardless of Ouma's level in that fight (and I agree that he wasn't really prime there) that would definitely qualify as a war.

As I've said before...I think there is plenty of valid stuff to get on GGG about...you could argue he didn't live up to some hype...could say you think his level of comp. was not as great as could have been...could get on him for never really moving up.

I think GGG's run through all of those guys, from basically Ouma to Brook is really impressive...he never really needed judges, never had an off night, never had a loss or a close fight.

You mentioning Nunn and Sumbu kind of proves my point in why I think GGG was great...they both had some good wins/runs...but also some controversial and close wins in there, against not really elite competition.

Which is fine...that happens when you mix it up with 10 or so solid pros...eventually you will have an off night and/or find a bad style matchup for you.

If GGG was getting lit up by Stevens or Lemieux or Jacobs and having wars with them or really close fights (no Jacobs was not a close fight imho)...or getting outboxed for stretches and having close fights with Monroe Brook Geale Murray etc...I would agree that he was just a big puncher and was overhyped.

But based on what I've seen I think he is one of the best I've ever seen to do it around his weight class...I think saying he is just a power guy, and not appreciating his other skills, especially how great his jab is/was, is misguided.

Again fair enough to say you feel he wasn't as great as some felt he was...that is all subjective anyway...but yeah I was impressed with his run at 160 and feel I would have needed to see a lot more 'bad' moments from him in those fights to say he wasn't the real deal...it would have shown through more at least a few times in those fights.

[TonyGe]

Ok then, enjoy being a fool believing that ggg soap opera. Fortunately for you, it’s almost over

Yeah he's almost at the end of his career. There are only a couple of years left to enjoy him. Your time is running out to come to your senses. However sadly you have to endure many more years of coming to Canelo's defense when people increasingly point out his numerous shortcomings. Good luck on that..

[TheCell8]

The Brits hate him cause he pulled Froch's hoe card.

As for the others, it's part and parcel of being a popular fighter.

[Boxing_1013]

Yeah he's almost at the end of his career. There are only a couple of years left to enjoy him. Your time is running out to come to your senses. However sadly you have to endure many more years of coming to Canelo's defense when people increasingly point out his numerous shortcomings. Good luck on that..

Lol very nice Tony

[therealpugilist]

I don't think you can just say GGG has power...when you look at how accomplished he was as an amateur, and then also how great of a jab he has...if he was just a one trick pony, he would have been exposed by now...and he isn't really a 1 punch KO guy...he just imo has good skills and good power and breaks you down that way.

And I mean he's never been REALLY exposed btw...like Monroe outboxing him or Brook etc...and I would say Jacobs Stevens and Lemieux are probably all bigger punchers than Canelo...well Canelo is somehow continuing to punch harder and harder now...but they are all 4 basically in the same category.

I just feel that from studying other current fighters, or even past guys, most guys do not dominate when they face 15 or so solid pros...most guys have a slip up...GGG never did and that just really impresses me...it's not easy to do.

I brought up Ouma bc you said he hasn't been in any wars...regardless of Ouma's level in that fight (and I agree that he wasn't really prime there) that would definitely qualify as a war.

As I've said before...I think there is plenty of valid stuff to get on GGG about...you could argue he didn't live up to some hype...could say you think his level of comp. was not as great as could have been...could get on him for never really moving up.

I think GGG's run through all of those guys, from basically Ouma to Brook is really impressive...he never really needed judges, never had an off night, never had a loss or a close fight.

You mentioning Nunn and Sumbu kind of proves my point in why I think GGG was great...they both had some good wins/runs...but also some controversial and close wins in there, against not really elite competition.

Which is fine...that happens when you mix it up with 10 or so solid pros...eventually you will have an off night and/or find a bad style matchup for you.

If GGG was getting lit up by Stevens or Lemieux or Jacobs and having wars with them or really close fights (no Jacobs was not a close fight imho)...or getting outboxed for stretches and having close fights with Monroe Brook Geale Murray etc...I would agree that he was just a big puncher and was overhyped.

But based on what I've seen I think he is one of the best I've ever seen to do it around his weight class...I think saying he is just a power guy, and not appreciating his other skills, especially how great his jab is/was, is misguided.

Again fair enough to say you feel he wasn't as great as some felt he was...that is all subjective anyway...but yeah I was impressed with his run at 160 and feel I would have needed to see a lot more 'bad' moments from him in those fights to say he wasn't the real deal...it would have shown through more at least a few times in those fights.

i said very good fighter with power....is he an all time great...no.....is he skilled yes, he is a former olympian with 100s of fights but is it on the level of former p4p middleweight entrants like a prime Hagler, Michael Nunn, James, Toney, Hopkins? No, he is well schooled but basic and not hard to hit

is he a hall of famer? nope, resume is weak and reputation is based off knocking out fringe contenders....every top middleweight he has fought has been a toss up type fight except lemieux who really is a lower top ten guy


not really elite? you do know kalambay defeated Mike McCallum an all time great and hall of famer, perennial contender Herol Graham 2x, steve collins, iran barkley, contender robbie sims, champions buster drayton and doug dewitt

Michael Nunn won titles at 160 and 168 and fought for one at 175 defeated Marlon Starling, Gold Medallist frank tate, Juan Roldan, Donald Curry, Victor Cordoba twice


these dudes clearly beat better fighters and accomplished more than GGG to less fan fare

its save to say i was not impressed considering his level of competition in respect to the hype he had, and on the contrary, it seems you just started following the sport recently yourself

[therealpugilist]

Thanks...I think saying 'GGG wasn't what he was made out to be by some' is a fair argument...you could make that for any fighter though really...but it is a fair one.

I think that to really have a firm opinion on him you have to factor in those 2 Canelo fights and how you viewed/scored them though...I thought he would be a bit better in each fight, but at the same time, I still thought he won both quite cleanly...mainly because of his activity...his stamina/workrate just make him a tough fight for Canelo who tends to fight in spurts...my 2 cents anyway.

OK I disagree about the Ward-Kov fight but thanks for responding.

i was never impressed with GGG to be honest, some call it hate but people have to realize how many great middleweights have graced the ring. Also ive watched thousands of fights live and study the sport daily, i train, coach and i box myself


Hagler, Monzon, Robinson, James Toney, etc....talent wise i never saw that type of talent or skills from GGG and when he stepped up competition his fights became a lot more competitive than when he fought fringe guys.....his best opponents are Canelo, Jacobs and Sergiy Derevyanchenko....brook is a good fighter but very small for 160....his run was simply not impressive because ive seen so many great fighters prove it in the ring and accomplish more with better skills

[Boxing_1013]

i said very good fighter with power....is he an all time great...no.....is he skilled yes, he is a former olympian with 100s of fights but is it on the level of former p4p middleweight entrants like a prime Hagler, Michael Nunn, James, Toney, Hopkins? No, he is well schooled but basic and not hard to hit

is he a hall of famer? nope, resume is weak and reputation is based off knocking out fringe contenders....every top middleweight he has fought has been a toss up type fight except lemieux who really is a lower top ten guy


not really elite? you do know kalambay defeated Mike McCallum an all time great and hall of famer, perennial contender Herol Graham 2x, steve collins, iran barkley, contender robbie sims, champions buster drayton and doug dewitt

Michael Nunn won titles at 160 and 168 and fought for one at 175 defeated Marlon Starling, Gold Medallist frank tate, Juan Roldan, Donald Curry, Victor Cordoba twice


these dudes clearly beat better fighters and accomplished more than GGG to less fan fare

its save to say i was not impressed considering his level of competition in respect to the hype he had, and on the contrary, it seems you just started following the sport recently yourself

i was never impressed with GGG to be honest, some call it hate but people have to realize how many great middleweights have graced the ring. Also ive watched thousands of fights live and study the sport daily, i train, coach and i box myself


Hagler, Monzon, Robinson, James Toney, etc....talent wise i never saw that type of talent or skills from GGG and when he stepped up competition his fights became a lot more competitive than when he fought fringe guys.....his best opponents are Canelo, Jacobs and Sergiy Derevyanchenko....brook is a good fighter but very small for 160....his run was simply not impressive because ive seen so many great fighters prove it in the ring and accomplish more with better skills

Oh I disagree my friend...I think he is an ATG at MW and a HOFer for sure...he is a former silver Olympic medalist at MW btw, and an ATG amateur really...just had an incredible resume there as well.

If he wasn't that hard to hit...he would have more losses/KDs etc...so I again just don't really buy that line of critique.

Not sure why you said 'not really elite?' btw...I said those guys had some good wins...going 12 with McCallum in your own backyard and winning a decision is a good win...but I mean it's not like he KOed McCallum or beat him in a neutral site.

And I said they had some close fights/losses against pedestrian opposition...GGG never did...Hagler lost twice to journeymen...Sumbu lost at home to Kalule...he also fought most of his fights at home...if GGG was getting decisions at home in Kazhakstan I would view him similarly...all I can say really.

I mean look at those guys you give Sumbu credit for beating man...Graham and Barkley were good...and he beat them by decision, one at home...the other guys, I mean come on man...how can you big up those guys and slight who GGG was beating...just wild imo.

So now we are big upping Robbie Sims and Buster Drayton and Doug Dewitt? I mean come on dude...not to mention that the game has changed...and many of those fighters from back then look like amateurs...but even just based on rating guys based on their run in their era, GGG's stacks up very well to anyone's.

With Nunn...we again were comparing their runs at MW...not in all classes...and in any event, you are big upping guys/split decisions over Starling/Cordoba/Curry/Tate and even Roldan like GGG wouldn't have rolled through all of those guys...and like they weren't at the same level more or less as many of the guys GGG ran through...some probably even on the lower end than what GGG faced.

So yeah I don't really see the angle at all that those guys beat better guys than GGG did...they beat some good guys, had some closer fights than GGG against solid pros too...and GGG ran through all of those guys and had more fights against those level guys too (somewhat due to GGG fighting exclusively at MW...the other guys were often fighting at different weights throughout their career).

I think you have some rose-colored glasses on with some of those past fighters...you seem to be holding some sort of a grudge there towards GGG and for them which distorts your view, imho...I would also add that to give some of those past guys credit for close debatable wins over solid pros.

But to then try and say GGG had close fights (just because he went 12) with Jacobs Canelo Canelo and SD and should be judged negatively for that...kind of throws your credibility out the window a bit...not to mention that anyone who really knows the sport and is impartial...the only close fight(s) GGG has ever really had was vs SD (which I could see someone getting to 7 rounds for Sergei) and then vs Ouma it was very tight before GGG stopped him.

If people want to get on him for those 2 fights, that's fine...but I mean we all saw him beat Canelo twice...if we are keeping it real that is...and Danny won 4 rounds in that fight, but we shouldn't really give extra credit just because a guy does better than expected...you still have to score GGG's work in those fights as well.

Again I don't really see the logic in big upping some of those past fighters, and even big upping some of their wins...while getting on GGG for steamrolling through a lot of fighters of similar level as those guys...when those guys were getting MD SD or UD against those guys, often times at home...you also overlook some losses those guys had to just solid pros, where again GGG ran through all the 15 or so guys like that that he faced.

And then to not give GGG credit for his performances vs Canelo Canelo Jacobs and SD, as a whole, but again big up someone like Hagler who got embarrassed by SRL and basically drew with Duran...and had 2 bad losses...to go along with his great win over Tommy and a good win over Mugabi...but otherwise, I mean how can you even big up his stuff other than that...and he has some bad negatives that GGG does not.

But yeah saying Nunn's run, in particular, was as good at GGG at MW is just wild imo...and Sumbu had some good decision wins, at home usually, and then also a bad loss, at home.

In any event, good chat...I think you're a bit mistaken on some of this stuff but we are all entitled to an opinion and I thank you for sharing some of yours.