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  • Blond Beast
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    #21
    Originally posted by Tony Trick-Pony
    Yeah, I didn't understand why Kovalev fought how he did. Very tentative. Canelo was the aggressor but the shorter man often is. It was an interesting fight with a sensational ending. Really can't complain. Not sure about May 5. I hope it's a better opponent than Murata. Haha. I don't see Canelo being challenged there at all, but this is boxing. You never know...
    I don’t think anyone can make Canelo do anything. Hes like the kid from the classic twilight zone that can pick up anyone’s negative thoughts. After moving up and beating Kovalev, I could see him taking a smaller fight. I’d be happy with BJS. Murat wasent even on my radar, but now... between nobody or Murat... clever fellow. The Pope.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Tony Trick-Pony
      Yeah, I didn't understand why Kovalev fought how he did. Very tentative. Canelo was the aggressor but the shorter man often is. It was an interesting fight with a sensational ending. Really can't complain. Not sure about May 5. I hope it's a better opponent than Murata. Haha. I don't see Canelo being challenged there at all, but this is boxing. You never know...
      Kovalev fought only to survive. He didnt even care to win. He basically cashed out.

      Canelo doesnt have a lot of stamina because of how he slips and uses his upper body movement. It doesnt help that he also has a ton of mass for his size.

      You can clearly see when he decides to do what. Most of the time he will use a high guard. This allows him to bat down opponents jabs and see their game. It also allows him to pressure.

      He'll then move between guards. High guard. Shoulder roll. Lean back. Lean forward with high guard. Etc.

      You'll see a lot of these sequences that set him up for his signature punch which is a lead hook/overhand right.

      This is the same punch that got Khan KTFO.

      Murata isnt a fighter that can challenge Canelo. Style wise you would need a pressure fighter that relentless and would gas Canelo or someone who will move around Canelo and force him to chase.

      Is there anyone with that style? Not really, but until Canelo fights someone who fights those he'll probably avoid them. Big risk, little reward.

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      • Blond Beast
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        #23
        Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
        Kovalev fought only to survive. He didnt even care to win. He basically cashed out.

        Canelo doesnt have a lot of stamina because of how he slips and uses his upper body movement. It doesnt help that he also has a ton of mass for his size.

        You can clearly see when he decides to do what. Most of the time he will use a high guard. This allows him to bat down opponents jabs and see their game. It also allows him to pressure.

        He'll then move between guards. High guard. Shoulder roll. Lean back. Lean forward with high guard. Etc.

        You'll see a lot of these sequences that set him up for his signature punch which is a lead hook/overhand right.

        This is the same punch that got Khan KTFO.

        Murata isnt a fighter that can challenge Canelo. Style wise you would need a pressure fighter that relentless and would gas Canelo or someone who will move around Canelo and force him to chase.

        Is there anyone with that style? Not really, but until Canelo fights someone who fights those he'll probably avoid them. Big risk, little reward.
        Yeah, I’ve never seen Canelo push it into a high gear, but he hasent had too. He definitely takes a round or two off in fights. I’d like to see him have to really push it one day. Imagine him throwing a hundred punches in a round.

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        • R-Hand Southpaw
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          #24
          Originally posted by Blond Beast
          Yeah, I’ve never seen Canelo push it into a high gear, but he hasent had too. He definitely takes a round or two off in fights. I’d like to see him have to really push it one day. Imagine him throwing a hundred punches in a round.
          As much as Canelo groupies refuse to admit it GGG/Canelo 2.

          Canelo was forced to do things he didnt want to do because what he wanted to do should have landed him a big fat L that should be one of the biggest robberies in the sport.

          It was so god awful it was almost as bad as when Holyfield kept his title against lennox.

          I'd say, imagine beating a boss in a video game where you gave it your all and lucked the **** out. Once you get that W you dont need to fight that guy again. Winning lucky is still winning.

          That's Canelo.

          Dominating with score cards of 115-113 twice and 114-114.

          And still the majority of people thought he loss and this wasnt no Floyd/Pac situation

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          • YoungManRumble
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            #25
            Originally posted by Real King Kong
            His attention to detail is 2nd to none as far as YouTube goes. It’s pretty rare that a legit world class trainer would take the time to post videos.
            Yeah he seems really good. Though I don't have enough experience to truly judge, and obviously you can't learn to box from YouTube, but could supplement real training with stuff online as long as someone can criticize your form and technique in person.

            I really like this Russian guy too as I quite like their style. Not all of the videos have subtitles but been watching a lot of them for a few months and some really interesting stuff to be found in there:

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              #26
              Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
              As much as Canelo groupies refuse to admit it GGG/Canelo 2.

              Canelo was forced to do things he didnt want to do because what he wanted to do should have landed him a big fat L that should be one of the biggest robberies in the sport.

              It was so god awful it was almost as bad as when Holyfield kept his title against lennox.

              I'd say, imagine beating a boss in a video game where you gave it your all and lucked the **** out. Once you get that W you dont need to fight that guy again. Winning lucky is still winning.

              That's Canelo.

              Dominating with score cards of 115-113 twice and 114-114.

              And still the majority of people thought he loss and this wasnt no Floyd/Pac situation
              I agree that getting the W is what’s worth the most as the details, scores, controversies fade. I was predicting it would be fight of the millennium part 2. I thought GGG deserved the win in the first fight 115-113. But after the final bell I predicted what the judges would have it, which is a different game. I figured one wide for canelo, one close GGG, and one even. This is humble bragging of course, but I know no one else was surprised. GGG had the KO record, which only worked against him. U knew based on precedent in the rematch Canelo just had to stand his ground more and he’d get the win. Canelo did just that and GGG changed nothing. The fight was closer to a draw, but that’s a win for Nelo. Canelo has the stroke plus he was the underdog which gives him more credit. He’s also the guy that gives his opponents the hugest pay day of their lives. If u had to beat him by two points, his opponents would still do it. Nobody can be surprised.

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              • Tony Trick-Pony
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                #27
                Originally posted by Blond Beast
                I don’t think anyone can make Canelo do anything. Hes like the kid from the classic twilight zone that can pick up anyone’s negative thoughts. After moving up and beating Kovalev, I could see him taking a smaller fight. I’d be happy with BJS. Murat wasent even on my radar, but now... between nobody or Murat... clever fellow. The Pope.
                Oh no. He's the top star and can call the shots without question and I know the twilight zone episode and wow. Haha. That's hilarious and the Simpsons parody on it is, too.

                Yeah, we'll see what happens. If he takes an easy fight, I'm not even knocking it but don't expect me to get excited about it. Haha. Maybe we'll get some good highlight reel type stuff at least...

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
                  Kovalev fought only to survive. He didnt even care to win. He basically cashed out.

                  Canelo doesnt have a lot of stamina because of how he slips and uses his upper body movement. It doesnt help that he also has a ton of mass for his size.

                  You can clearly see when he decides to do what. Most of the time he will use a high guard. This allows him to bat down opponents jabs and see their game. It also allows him to pressure.

                  He'll then move between guards. High guard. Shoulder roll. Lean back. Lean forward with high guard. Etc.

                  You'll see a lot of these sequences that set him up for his signature punch which is a lead hook/overhand right.

                  This is the same punch that got Khan KTFO.

                  Murata isnt a fighter that can challenge Canelo. Style wise you would need a pressure fighter that relentless and would gas Canelo or someone who will move around Canelo and force him to chase.

                  Is there anyone with that style? Not really, but until Canelo fights someone who fights those he'll probably avoid them. Big risk, little reward.
                  Good observations, man. Thanks a lot!

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                  • Real King Kong
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by YoungManRumble
                    Yeah he seems really good. Though I don't have enough experience to truly judge, and obviously you can't learn to box from YouTube, but could supplement real training with stuff online as long as someone can criticize your form and technique in person.

                    I really like this Russian guy too as I quite like their style. Not all of the videos have subtitles but been watching a lot of them for a few months and some really interesting stuff to be found in there:

                    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQx...UXJhQcM6yeh06A
                    Yea that’s the classic Russian amateur style. Sometimes when he breaks movements down you wonder wtf he’s doing, but then he puts it all together into a fluid technique.

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                    • GhostofDempsey
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                      #30
                      Slipping punches is a young man’s tactic. Fighter’s often resort to clinching or putting the earmuffs on as they age and their reflexes slow down. If a fighter relies too much upon reflexes and cannot adapt they start taking too many punches and too many losses. Roy Jones is a classic example of one who didn’t adapt. There are exceptions, where seasoned boxers can anticipate an opponents punch and slip it, but those are few and far between.

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