Comments Thread For: Wilder: Dillian Whyte is Just a Compulsive Liar, He Had Chances

[turnedup]

Well I wrote a lengthy piece on this before about context and having to take each scenario on a case by case basis, prior to Whyte's clearance. However to summarize, these fighters are paying thousands of dollars to voluntarily sign up to VADA to ensure their opponent is clean and also to show the world they have nothing to hide. Of course signing up doesn't necessarily prove innocent, but realistically, it goes a very long way. Furthermore, if we assume guilt on the back of a failed test, then why bother with process and due diligence at all? We bother with process because mistakes happen every single day in any medical field. Why should any sports-persons entire career being ruined on the back of human error? At least investigate before assuming blame.

Again this isn't to say Whyte didn't somehow bribe a government sponsored council with thousands, while also paying off VADA (who he tested clean with the day prior and after) and then the accountant(s) required to launder money to hide the wire transfer to so many individuals etc etc, not to mention the work needed to hide this laundered money again when it comes to filing tax. I'm just saying we are so quick to judge and make gospel truth calls and make up these incredibly unlikely conspiracy theories.

Whyte had already tested positive years earlier for using a pre-workout called Jacked. This stuff doesn't contain anabolic steroids, kids can buy it for **** sake. He was just an idiot and clearly unprofessional, it actually contained a food additive called dimethylamylamine which is thought to increase blood pressure and help burn fat, so was banned for use by some of the testing bodies because of the health risks to the user. Do you really think after serving so long of a ban, he's going to run right back into using illegal drugs?

I love this sport to bits and of course I demand fighters are fighting clean but that doesn't mean i'm going to immediately condemn a fighter without looking at the circumstances. There is a freaking world of difference between drinking a sports drink and somebody like Miller, who is actually injecting human growth hormone!

Fair enough that you aren’t judging the man. Neither am I, I am judging the sport in my argument which you replied to very well. I don’t speculate that someone is dirty, the only time I have was JMM in that fourth pacquiao fight for my own reasoning. I’m not into the conspiracy theory (not saying you are) thing but after watching several fighters get away with some bullshhh from the commissions I am of the mind of let’s sit you down for a bit and check this shh out. We’ve seen our share of dudes get a slap on the wrist, blame the sun moon and stars and get reinstated. This sport is life or death in the ring for these guys, and you have some fans and lots of internal politics that doesn’t seem to care about even playing field in terms of that. It bothers me bro, that whole mike Perez and magimed situation really changed me as a fan and mike wasn’t even dirty that fight. This is bigger than just whyte for me. Doesn’t matter to me if it’s not hgh or it is, it’s banned, it shouldn’t be in you for a reason but alas, maybe I’m the impractical one.

[turnedup]

You must have missed UKAD, BBoBC, WBC, VADA and NADP, all of the relevant boxing and drug testing authorities declaring him innocent of any wrongdoing.

I'll take their professional judgements over yours thank you very much.

Here have a slow clap..you’d get a pint if I was by trefalgar and a slap on the back but I’m sure I’ll see you defending bjs and fury as well for some reason there mate. Don’t take it the wrong way, not about them being British fighters..you have “funny tests” in this sport..enjoy your label, it’s well deserved no matter what your homeland is.

[W1LL]

Dillian Whyte is a much easier fight than Tyson Fury. Anyone who implies Deontay Wilder ducked Whyte is an idiot, and you should give them a wide berth.

[tokon]

Well I wrote a lengthy piece on this before about context and having to take each scenario on a case by case basis, prior to Whyte's clearance. However to summarize, these fighters are paying thousands of dollars to voluntarily sign up to VADA to ensure their opponent is clean and also to show the world they have nothing to hide. Of course signing up doesn't necessarily prove innocent, but realistically, it goes a very long way. Furthermore, if we assume guilt on the back of a failed test, then why bother with process and due diligence at all? We bother with process because mistakes happen every single day in any medical field. Why should any sports-persons entire career being ruined on the back of human error? At least investigate before assuming blame.

Again this isn't to say Whyte didn't somehow bribe a government sponsored council with thousands, while also paying off VADA (who he tested clean with the day prior and after) and then the accountant(s) required to launder money to hide the wire transfer to so many individuals etc etc, not to mention the work needed to hide this laundered money again when it comes to filing tax. I'm just saying we are so quick to judge and make gospel truth calls and make up these incredibly unlikely conspiracy theories.

Whyte had already tested positive years earlier for using a pre-workout called Jacked. This stuff doesn't contain anabolic steroids, kids can buy it for **** sake. He was just an idiot and clearly unprofessional, it actually contained a food additive called dimethylamylamine which is thought to increase blood pressure and help burn fat, so was banned for use by some of the testing bodies because of the health risks to the user. Do you really think after serving so long of a ban, he's going to run right back into using illegal drugs?

I love this sport to bits and of course I demand fighters are fighting clean but that doesn't mean i'm going to immediately condemn a fighter without looking at the circumstances. There is a freaking world of difference between drinking a sports drink and somebody like Miller, who is actually injecting human growth hormone!

Excellent, logical, unbiased points.

However, as regards Whyte's test results before the Rivas fight , where are the dianobol metabolites supposed to have come from if it wasn't from him?

[DougalDylan]

I would believe roid rage if he said the sun was yellow.

So he says he had the opportunity to fight him by fighting someone else .. does he actually listen to the words out of his own mouth .. and there was a youtube interview where he withdrew that offer when Whyte accepted .. he basically wouldn't sign a contract to that effect and you had to take him at his word .. one of the most dishonest and horrible characters in boxing.

[Articulateboxin]

Fair enough that you aren’t judging the man. Neither am I, I am judging the sport in my argument which you replied to very well. I don’t speculate that someone is dirty, the only time I have was JMM in that fourth pacquiao fight for my own reasoning. I’m not into the conspiracy theory (not saying you are) thing but after watching several fighters get away with some bullshhh from the commissions I am of the mind of let’s sit you down for a bit and check this shh out. We’ve seen our share of dudes get a slap on the wrist, blame the sun moon and stars and get reinstated. This sport is life or death in the ring for these guys, and you have some fans and lots of internal politics that doesn’t seem to care about even playing field in terms of that. It bothers me bro, that whole mike Perez and magimed situation really changed me as a fan and mike wasn’t even dirty that fight. This is bigger than just whyte for me. Doesn’t matter to me if it’s not hgh or it is, it’s banned, it shouldn’t be in you for a reason but alas, maybe I’m the impractical one.

Not at all man and I agree with all of that really! I don't think you're being impractical at all, just expecting nothing but a fair playing field for the guys risking their lives in the ring. I would green you again but i need to spread some more around

[kafkod]

Facts? You forgot to mention Wilder agreeing to it as long as Hearn put it in writing that if he beat Whyte he was guaranteed a shot at Joshua next. That is the part you conveniently leave out...

Wilder's excuse for ducking Whyte: "Hearn wouldn't give me a multi-fight deal"

Wilder's excuse for ducking AJ: "Hearn tried to make me sign a multi-fight deal"

[kafkod]

I would believe roid rage if he said the sun was yellow.

So he says he had the opportunity to fight him by fighting someone else .. does he actually listen to the words out of his own mouth .. and there was a youtube interview where he withdrew that offer when Whyte accepted .. he basically wouldn't sign a contract to that effect and you had to take him at his word .. one of the most dishonest and horrible characters in boxing.

Wilder accusing somebody else of being a compulsive liar makes me want to puke.

[kafkod]

Well I wrote a lengthy piece on this before about context and having to take each scenario on a case by case basis, prior to Whyte's clearance. However to summarize, these fighters are paying thousands of dollars to voluntarily sign up to VADA to ensure their opponent is clean and also to show the world they have nothing to hide. Of course signing up doesn't necessarily prove innocent, but realistically, it goes a very long way. Furthermore, if we assume guilt on the back of a failed test, then why bother with process and due diligence at all? We bother with process because mistakes happen every single day in any medical field. Why should any sports-persons entire career being ruined on the back of human error? At least investigate before assuming blame.

Again this isn't to say Whyte didn't somehow bribe a government sponsored council with thousands, while also paying off VADA (who he tested clean with the day prior and after) and then the accountant(s) required to launder money to hide the wire transfer to so many individuals etc etc, not to mention the work needed to hide this laundered money again when it comes to filing tax. I'm just saying we are so quick to judge and make gospel truth calls and make up these incredibly unlikely conspiracy theories.

Whyte had already tested positive years earlier for using a pre-workout called Jacked. This stuff doesn't contain anabolic steroids, kids can buy it for **** sake. He was just an idiot and clearly unprofessional, it actually contained a food additive called dimethylamylamine which is thought to increase blood pressure and help burn fat, so was banned for use by some of the testing bodies because of the health risks to the user. Do you really think after serving so long of a ban, he's going to run right back into using illegal drugs?

I love this sport to bits and of course I demand fighters are fighting clean but that doesn't mean i'm going to immediately condemn a fighter without looking at the circumstances. There is a freaking world of difference between drinking a sports drink and somebody like Miller, who is actually injecting human growth hormone!

Excellent post!

[Ake-Dawg]

How is it that some fighters fight 15+ years with never a hint of PED use and Whyte has tested positive twice?

How is it that Whyte can be caught in a lie regarding the Klitschko sparring, but get defended to the death.

Whyte turned down AJ for a load of cash. Why don't these same UK fans call him a duck?

If the overwhelming consensus is that Wilder KOs Whyte, how is it a duck. Especially when Wilder is fighting competition better than Whyte.