Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas Sees Early KO For Wilder, Interested in Training Andy Ruiz

[joseph5620]

Did you see hes fight before the Wilder rematch. If that's not shot I don't know what is.Hes got high blood pressure, ex doper. Your superbiased if you think knocking him out puts him above Foreman, Shavers, Tyson, Louis ect, madness.

The only fighter to beat Ortiz is Wilder. No one else has come close to beating him. So for you to say he's shot is nothing more than an agenda. You're no more objective than Atlas.

I wasn't even talking about the punching power so that's irrelevant. Whether he hits harder than those other fighters can never be proven but he's certainly making a case. I've watched boxing a long time and I've never seen a fighter punch like Wilder. Nobody said he was better. But if you dismiss his punching power as a myth your statements are "madness."

[Mindgames]

There only fighter to beat Ortiz is Wilder. No one else has come close to beating him. So for you to say he's shot is nothing more than an agenda. You're no more objective than Atlas.

I wasn't even talking about the punching power so that irrelevant. Whether he hits harder than those other fighters can never be proven but he's certainly making a case. I've watched boxing a long time and I've never seen a fighter punch like Wilder. Nobody said he was better. But if you dismiss his punching power as a myth your statements are "madness."

Other than Jennings, Ortiz has never fought a decent level fighter.! He's a doper, no argument. He's a high blood pressure sufferer, no argument. So nobody knows how good he is, but we know he used to cheat and he isn't in the greatest health. We know he's old.Hes fight before Wilder was awful. The consensus after that one is he looked shot. Now did I once say Wilder couldn't punch? I'm saying to make statements like "hes the GOAT all time heavyweight puncher" needs more than two kos over Ortiz. Much more. I've seen alot of other fighters stop guys with one punch, even guys like Weaver, Ruddock and Morrison used to ko guys and at times these guys went out cold, looking almost dead. So what makes Wilders power so much greater is my point. Consider this. It wasn't so great that he stopped an in shape Stiverne, or a comebacking Fury, who's been hurt by light punching cruiserweights.So to me the all time power thing is nonsense.Look at hes opposition.Outside of Fury and old Ortiz, no one. Not biased at all. Atlas saying Mike Tyson never fought through adversity, after watching Ruddock bouncing big shots off hes head in two wins, and him taking big punishment in all of hes relevant loses, coz Atlas dont like him, now that's bias.

[joseph5620]

Other than Jennings, Ortiz has never fought a decent level fighter.! He's a doper, no argument. He's a high blood pressure sufferer, no argument. So nobody knows how good he is, but we know he used to cheat and he isn't in the greatest health. We know he's old.Hes fight before Wilder was awful. The consensus after that one is he looked shot. Now did I once say Wilder couldn't punch? I'm saying to make statements like "hes the GOAT all time heavyweight puncher" needs more than two kos over Ortiz. Much more. I've seen alot of other fighters stop guys with one punch, even guys like Weaver, Ruddock and Morrison used to ko guys and at times these guys went out cold, looking almost dead. So what makes Wilders power so much greater is my point. Consider this. It wasn't so great that he stopped an in shape Stiverne, or a comebacking Fury, who's been hurt by light punching cruiserweights.So to me the all time power thing is nonsense.Look at hes opposition.Outside of Fury and old Ortiz, no one. Not biased at all. Atlas saying Mike Tyson never fought through adversity, after watching Ruddock bouncing big shots off hes head in two wins, and him taking big punishment in all of hes relevant loses, coz Atlas dont like him, now that's bias.

None of those fighters were ending a fight with one punch as consistently or as early as Wilder does it. Not one of them and I'm familiar with all of them. They don't even belong in the discussion.You're just being disingenuous here. You can make all the excuses and downplay opponents all you want but they weren't fighting killers all the time either and they weren't knocking them out like Wilder does it.

I can't take you or anyone else seriously when you question Wilder's power. It's not just fans saying it either. Professionals other than Atlas have said the same thing

[rudy]

Atlas really helped his last client wbc Light Heavyweight champion. Go back to commentating

[Mindgames]

None of those fighters were ending a fight with one punch as consistently or as early as Wilder does it. Not one of them and I'm familiar with all of them. They don't even belong in the discussion.You're just being disingenuous here. You can make all the excuses and downplay opponents all you want but they weren't fighting killers all the time either and they weren't knocking them out like Wilder does it.

I can't take you or anyone else seriously when you question Wilder's power. It's not just fans saying it either. Professionals other than Atlas have said the same thing

I didnt question Wilders power, so you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said there's nothing about hes power that's any different to the other great punchers. Look at hes record. Unlike Ruddock, Weaver ect, he was fighting the most losing record opposition on hes way up you've ever seen. He fought retired supermiddles.The higher opposition he fought, the longer he was extended generally, and he failed to stop two of the more decent opponents he met. Guys like Moorer and Nigel Benn stopped everyone they fought on the way up, but i dont think anyone seriously thought their power was in another league to the other great fighters in their divisions respective histories. How the hell do you work out Wilder is a greater puncher than Foreman, who stopped two great heavies in 2 rounds each, and knocked out undefeated Moorer with one punch even in old age. Why is Wilders power greater than Lennox Lewis, who crushed Ruddock and Golota, or David Tua, who flattened Ruiz and Moorer in a round. In other divisions, we had Hearns destroying iron chins in Duran and Cuevas, Jackson nearly killing Graham and Milton, and now you say Wilders power is somehow objectively greater? We're talking about GOAT power. Wilders wins over people like Malik Scott dont even rate with Ruddock ko over Dokes, Weaver over Tate or Williams. Wilders fought three guys and three guys only who may be top three. Stiverne, Ortiz, Fury. Two took him the distance and one is an old, ex doping fighter with an age related condition. Two took him the distance and neither has an iron chin. Stop with the fan boy hype. Weren't knocking them out like Wilder, have a word with yourself. Ortiz was fully conscious in both losses, old, and now it's "I've never seen anything like it", have a day off.

[joseph5620]

I didnt question Wilders power, so you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said there's nothing about hes power that's any different to the other great punchers. Look at hes record. Unlike Ruddock, Weaver ect, he was fighting the most losing record opposition on hes way up you've ever seen. He fought retired supermiddles.The higher opposition he fought, the longer he was extended generally, and he failed to stop two of the more decent opponents he met. Guys like Moorer and Nigel Benn stopped everyone they fought on the way up, but i dont think anyone seriously thought their power was in another league to the other great fighters in their divisions respective histories. How the hell do you work out Wilder is a greater puncher than Foreman, who stopped two great heavies in 2 rounds each, and knocked out undefeated Moorer with one punch even in old age. Why is Wilders power greater than Lennox Lewis, who crushed Ruddock and Golota, or David Tua, who flattened Ruiz and Moorer in a round. In other divisions, we had Hearns destroying iron chins in Duran and Cuevas, Jackson nearly killing Graham and Milton, and now you say Wilders power is somehow objectively greater? We're talking about GOAT power. Wilders wins over people like Malik Scott dont even rate with Ruddock ko over Dokes, Weaver over Tate or Williams. Wilders fought three guys and three guys only who may be top three. Stiverne, Ortiz, Fury. Two took him the distance and one is an old, ex doping fighter with an age related condition. Two took him the distance and neither has an iron chin. Stop with the fan boy hype. Weren't knocking them out like Wilder, have a word with yourself. Ortiz was fully conscious in both losses, old, and now it's "I've never seen anything like it", have a day off.

Yes there is. That's where your reading comprehension is lacking. Comparing him to Weaver shows me just how disingenuous you are with this topic. Weaver started off horribly in his career against sub par opponents too. The difference is that he was losing and was never the puncher Wilder is. I'm not even reading anything you say after that.

[jmrf4435]

teddy is usually wrong

Safe to go the opposite of what he says

[Thaim]

Atlas would do good for Ruiz if he could keep him below 400 lbs.

[a.rihn]

I thought Atlas was a really compelling voice for commentating - he's smart and insightful, but not so controlled or cowed by organizations.

[Mindgames]

Yes there is. That's where your reading comprehension is lacking. Comparing him to Weaver shows me just how disingenuous you are with this topic. Weaver started off horribly in his career against sub par opponents too. The difference is that he was losing and was never the puncher Wilder is. I'm not even reading anything you say after that.

Another triggered fanboy.Weaver knocked the three ex heavyweight champions out cold, floored and nearly stopped an all time great. Remember we're talking about power here. Wilder beat a succession of total nobodies including fat super middles in a career as a prospect unrivaled in critism of hes opposition in boxing history. Then, outside of Stiverne, who took him the distance, he fought a succession of Molina types {who took the GOAT puncher late btw} until he finally fought someone rated in old high blood pressure sufferer Ortiz, who he stopped late on accumulation. Then he stops a two years older Ortiz again, a man who was still trying to beat the count btw, not looking like he was dead like say, an old Dokes was against Ruddock, and you guys proclaim it to be like nothing you've ever seen, even though we had guys like Foreman destroying young undefeated champions with one punch, guys like Tyson breaking up proven durable ex champions like Tubbs with one punch, and even guys like Tua with far more devastating early kos against people who went on to hold titles and prove their durability. What a bunch of clowns you are. I remember Lennox Lewis knocking an old as Ortiz Weaver out with one punch. Had it been today, and Lewis had been American youd have all been screaming that he is the greatest puncher of all time. 3 decent level opponents, and Wilder goes the distance with the two who weren't old and I'll. Move over all time greats haha.