Jermall Charlo continues to get punked out

[emceetns]

you guys still refuse to get it...still refuse to snap out of your fantasy world where all the guys make the best fights out of honor for the sport and don't care about money or careers or futures lol

it must be nice living in that bubble

ask yourself....is al haymon pretty good at what he does? did he not make wilder the 4th highest paid guy in combat sports last year? the little known wilder? as he not gotten tons of fighters paid fairly well over the years? has he not been involved in some of the biggest fights the sport has ever seen?

so at the end of the day...if charlo trusts haymon...and haymon says "listen you going over there to fight would suck for my brand....and its a risky fight...potential stinker....I will get you the money youre missing out on...ill increase your money each fight in increments...and ill get you good fights....and eventually ill land you a big one"......would charlo be ****** to trust him?

All of that is true, however Charlo also portrays himself as being his own boss. That's why people want him to at least come back with a counter-offer for Eddie Hearn and Demetrius Andrade. In regards to risk and entertainment, I know it's a business but as a fan I don't want to see Charlo in against over-matched opponents just because it's less risky and more "entertaining"

For example, I'm sure that Jermall Charlo could fight James Kirkland and win by brutal KO. It would be incredibly low-risk and I'm sure Charlo would be paid well like you described. Sounds like awesome business, except I don't work for PBC, or Top Rank, or ESPN. These "A-sides" can fight whoever they want, however it's only natural that fans would be more intrigued to see Charlo in a percieved 50-50 fight against Demetrius Andrade than a guaranteed highlight reel KO against an over-matched opponent

[Curt Henning]

All of that is true, however Charlo also portrays himself as being his own boss. That's why people want him to at least come back with a counter-offer for Eddie Hearn and Demetrius Andrade. In regards to risk and entertainment, I know it's a business but as a fan I don't want to see Charlo in against over-matched opponents just because it's less risky and more "entertaining"

For example, I'm sure that Jermall Charlo could fight James Kirkland and win by brutal KO. It would be incredibly low-risk and I'm sure Charlo would be paid well like you described. Sounds like awesome business, except I don't work for PBC, or Top Rank, or ESPN. These "A-sides" can fight whoever they want, however it's only natural that fans would be more intrigued to see Charlo in a percieved 50-50 fight against Demetrius Andrade than a guaranteed highlight reel KO against an over-matched opponent

andrade has the top 3 MW names in the sport fighting on the same network...why isnt he fighting any of them?

its like spence trying to get jesse vargas to come over and fight him while hes got pac, danny, thurman etc sitting right there

why is andrade fighting luke keeler?

[Curt Henning]

We can agree that neither Charlo nor Andrade are worth 7 million, but having outlined the dangers of "crossing the street", surely you'd agree that an overpayment is a necessity for either side?

We all know that Alvarez does what he wants and that Golovkin and DAZN are waiting on Alvarez; rightly or wrongly, it is what it is, much like when Spence couldn't get fights with Thurman et al.
If Golovkin won't fight Charlo and Charlo won't fight Canelo, then 7 million for a winnable fight is no bad deal. I understand that it's risky but I don't see either man making progress with the likes Eubank and Keeler, while the winner likely commands a higher purse from Canelo, which I'm assuming is the end goal of all this.

I'm not sure we can dismiss the offer as a publicity stunt because
a) DAZN needs signups and have shown that they are willing to pay for them
b) Eddie needs to do something with Andrade and
c) we've seen Ramirez take Hooker's belt and a fat cheque back to Top Rank, no questions asked.

Not putting the dollar amount on public display strikes me as good manners/protocol but it could well be that Hearn is a lying promoter. Either way, we agree that the offer was lucrative enough to warrant discussion so I don't think it matters greatly.

Personally, I'm reluctant to throw Charlo under the bus because it's clear that he isn't making the decisions (he doesn't help himself by claiming to be the boss but realistically, we know what it is).
For me, the decision has been made to get the belt around Charlo's waist, put him on TV and sell the idea that Canelo ducked. The problem is, the world at large simply doesn't believe that and continuing to reject risky fights is a bad look.

fair post...

but let me ask you something...if ramirez had lost what do you think happens to him? do you think ole bob would be real interested in resigning him then? do you think dazn would have been very keen on keeping him around?

it was a good deal for ramirez...but if he doenst get the W hes a tough spot

if charlo goes over and loses what kind of spot does that put him in? can he go back to the pbc and headline cards? will dazn want to keep him around?

the dazn guys were building tevin farmer up as a guy tank davis was avoiding....ill be interested to see what happnes with farmer going forward now that he was soundly beaten....

what i saw with hearn is a guy who is extremely threatned by deontay wilder....AJ is his prized possession....and he had to run as far away from wilder as he could....it was not a good look...most fair observers could clearly see what was going in that situation.....he got exposed and it was pretty clear.....hearn is trying to take his shots at the pbc any way he can imo...i watched him put his antics on full display regarding wilder/AJ for a couple of years....nothing that guy would do could suprise me honestly

the offer may be real and fair.....but its a risky proposition for charlo....its one where the pros and cons need to be weighed...its not just black and white and easy as saying "hey its good money and a title"....

[brettWall]

Just wondering if there have been anyone like Charlo.

[emceetns]

andrade has the top 3 MW names in the sport fighting on the same network...why isnt he fighting any of them?

its like spence trying to get jesse vargas to come over and fight him while hes got pac, danny, thurman etc sitting right there

why is andrade fighting luke keeler?

Ok, a few things:

I'm sure that Andrade would have fought Canelo and/or GGG already if it were up to him entirely. That goes for many fighters because who wouldn't want the payday associated with a shot at those guys? You seem like a knowledgeable person though so you and I both know that it's not that simple.

We also know that Andrade isn't an "A-side" fighter (as Charlo/PBC fans love to point out) so he doesn't necessarily get to pick and choose from a list of whoever like a Canelo would.

Spence actually could get Jessie Vargas or another B-level guy on DAZN to come fight him on PBC because it's fairly common for lesser guys to fight on different networks.

It's interesting that you bring up Thurman and Garcia because Spence has been on the same network with them for awhile and neither guy was eager to give Errol a shot. Thurman told us "you not gone' see it baby! 2019 is a get-back year" so being on the same network doesn't necessarily guarantee that certain fights will happen.

I'm guessing that Andrade fought Luke Keeler because that's the fight that was given to him and he wanted to stay active. I don't know the inner workings of DAZN or any other promotional company but I do know that Billy Joe Saunders screwed both himself and Andrade when he failed a drug test.

[emceetns]

fair post...

but let me ask you something...if ramirez had lost what do you think happens to him? do you think ole bob would be real interested in resigning him then? do you think dazn would have been very keen on keeping him around?

it was a good deal for ramirez...but if he doenst get the W hes a tough spot

if charlo goes over and loses what kind of spot does that put him in? can he go back to the pbc and headline cards? will dazn want to keep him around?

the dazn guys were building tevin farmer up as a guy tank davis was avoiding....ill be interested to see what happnes with farmer going forward now that he was soundly beaten....

what i saw with hearn is a guy who is extremely threatned by deontay wilder....AJ is his prized possession....and he had to run as far away from wilder as he could....it was not a good look...most fair observers could clearly see what was going in that situation.....he got exposed and it was pretty clear.....hearn is trying to take his shots at the pbc any way he can imo...i watched him put his antics on full display regarding wilder/AJ for a couple of years....nothing that guy would do could suprise me honestly

the offer may be real and fair.....but its a risky proposition for charlo....its one where the pros and cons need to be weighed...its not just black and white and easy as saying "hey its good money and a title"....

I would like to take a shot at answering your questions if I may:

1. Ramirez dared to be great and his career wouldn't have been over if he had lost a 50/50 unification bout, just like Maurice Hooker's career isn't over after taking the loss. If it's all about protecting your "0" at all costs then I guess it's ok for top fighters to feast on C-level competition because anything tougher than that is too risky.

2. If Charlo were to fight Demetrius Andrade and lose then he would probably get an immediate rematch. If not that then he would find himself in another meaningful fight before too long because it was a 50/50 unification fight.

3. Tevin Farmer will be back for an immediate rematch and if he wins then he is right back on track. If he loses then he can still come back and have meaningful fights after a win or two.

Now let me ask you something: Are you more entertained by guys weighing pros and cons like investors in the stock market? Or do you prefer guys who bet on themselves and put it all on the line? To use the Charlo-Andrade example, would you rather see Jermall Charlo destroy what's left of James Kirkland because it's less risky? or would you rather see him in a 50/50 fight? Personally I prefer fights where the outcome is less predictable.

[OnePunch]

if charlo goes over and loses what kind of spot does that put him in? can he go back to the pbc and headline cards?

Sure, because according to you guys NOBODY watches DAZN anyways, and they only have 43 subscribers.

So nobody will even know that Charlo lost. The PBC announcers can treat his loss as if it were a WBO title, and just pretend it doesnt exist........

[andocom]

The lengths some posters will go to protect their promoter bias is just embarrassing.

It is what it is, Charlo was offered career high money by a mile for a one fight unification deal and ghosted, made no counter offer even when suggested fight could happen on his "side of the street".

No one should be defending that and if you just admit to yourself you're a promoter fan not a boxing fan.

[Scipio2009]

Andrade's side has offered a career-high payday to have the fight on DAZN. But they are also willing to go over to Showtime to make the fight as long as they get a good offer.

So Jermall Charlo is the only one looking like a bitch here.

Having a thumb over the email offer number is suspect; ignore that if you want.

For a guy who has been so chatty about the money on offer in basically every other fight talk, it's odd to insist on quiet now, lol.

All that says to me, from the outside in, is that the offer likely really isn't career-high money

[andocom]

Having a thumb over the email offer number is suspect; ignore that if you want.

For a guy who has been so chatty about the money on offer in basically every other fight talk, it's odd to insist on quiet now, lol.

All that says to me, from the outside in, is that the offer likely really isn't career-high money

You think if the number was way off Charlo wouldn't immediately say so, really? You think Rahim wouldn't say so knowing the truth?