PBC won't help DAZN hurt their business

[sicko]

Bit confused by this, wasn't Shelley Finkel & Dibella Wilders promoters, and that is who Hearn was communicating with. Isn't that how it is supposed to happen? Offers and communication go to promoter, promoter notifies fighter/ fighter management (Haymon) of offers and management advises fighter.

Are you saying Hearn should have not communicated with Wilder's promoters as that would be going around Haymon? That makes no sense.

Kinda funny because people use to call DiBella a PBC Shield now they're trying to make the argument that he was really Wilder's Promter. DiBella Promoted Wilder fights but Wilder was NEVER officially signed to DiBella so no DiBella never really had the Power to MAKE the fight

DiBella made a risky move and it didn't work out and now he is kinda I don't want to say Blackballed but he is not promoting as much as he did when he was working with PBC as of late

[Real King Kong]

Wilders made more money than he could ever dream of in his last 2 fights. And his last to KO’s have gone viral.

So “going viral” is more important than being undisputed champion? Also, he would have made more money with dazn. I mean, he’s earned more than enough, so the money probably doesn’t matter, but he walked away from a clear path to the undisputed title...which is what he allegedly wants.

[Articulateboxin]

If any poster on NSB was Wilder's promoter they would advise him not to fight a DAZN contracted fighter on DAZN because that would be ******.

None of you, if you were wilder, would allow the other promoter to have influence over the judges, referee and venue, thus giving yourself a lesser chance of winning.

Why are so many posters acting so ****** over this? Every poster that accuses Wilder of ducking shows they lack any common sense. I get that posters hate Haymon and PBC and the Brits are desperate to shield AJ from the embarrassing loss to AJ but that shouldn't make posters just type ******ed gibberish.

I think that's a valid point but expecting fans to put themselves into the shoes of a promoter and manager is a tough ask, asking blind fan bois to is just impossible.

Any hardcore AJ fan is going to latch onto this and run with it, because in all honesty it's a bit ****ty.

If the situation was reversed and matchroom fired frank smith for trying to arrange a meeting that led to a career high payday for AJ on PBC, Wilder fan boys would be saying the very same.

[Motorcity Cobra]

PBC have their situation with FOX and Showtime and DAZN is in the business of raising their subs so they're not wrong for trying to add Marketable Americans but unfortunately for DAZN most of them are indeed with Haymon. Yes they tried to go around Haymon and I understand why, Haymon is a very smart man and as the Adviser of fighters it is indeed is job to review contracts for fighters to make sure it is a FAIR DEAL and a Deal in which the fighter is 100% Compensated and not just being USED then ultimately Dumped afterwards

I do think the initial plan as to Poach fighters away with the most money possible and I will be honest I myself is SHOCKED that it has not worked. When that approach didn't work, that is when they (DAZN) tried to come to the table with Haymon and Finkle and yeah Skipper once again thought just a big money offer would do it. The issue is that Al Haymon is never just looking for the "Big Lump Sum" he is always thinking Long Term, Back End, International and all that stuff that fans and even fighters signed to a promoter don't know anything about. Most fighters as well as fans THINK fighters should only get the PURSE that their BOSS decides to give them and shut up and fight.

Mayweather and Haymon Formula was about Maximizing your earning Potential and getting everything that is owed to you because YOU'RE the person people are paying to see not your Promoter! Promoters are NOT suppose to be The Boss of the fighters that is not how that is suppose to work but fighters give up their Power out of IGNORANCE! Fans want fighters to give up their Power out of IGNORANCE on our behalf. Fans also are working people who have Bosses to answer too so in return they kinda want everybody else to have a boss they have to answer to as well and a Boss that can I guess CONTROL these fighters like their Boss Controls them and their work Environment

One thing I will say about PBC, where in the hell are their offers to make these big fights too? They have big networks behind them in FOX and CBS/Showtime so the money is available. Eddie Hearn recently just said Andrade is ready and able to go over to PBC for Jermall Charlo so lets go...PBC need to offer Andrade to make that unification AS WELL AS why not paying to get Crawford to come over for Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter or Ugas while he waits for Spence Jr

So while some fans support only one, apply the pressure on ALL SIDES to step it up and give the fans what they want because right now their sport is rapidly declining. Tickets Sales, Ratings, PPV Buys, Views are down for ALL OF BOXING not just PBC, not just DAZN, not just Top Rank

Good post.

and wilder would have fought breazeale and aj would have fought ruiz twice......they still wouldnt have fought

and wilder made real good money in his last two fights.....and will make good money for the fury fight(s)...if he comes away with a win hell make even more money than he would have...its called a gamble...some guys are willing to take them...unlike AJ the 3 times wilder actually agreed to/tried to fight him in earnest

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[Outwest Exp 355]

So “going viral” is more important than being undisputed champion? Also, he would have made more money with dazn. I mean, he’s earned more than enough, so the money probably doesn’t matter, but he walked away from a clear path to the undisputed title...which is what he allegedly wants.

They aren’t fighting on DAZN period. That’s a freakin deal breaker. I don’t get why people don’t understand that. PBC is in direct competition with DAZN and Haymon isn’t letting his greatest asset fight there ever. And you guys expect Wilder to surrender control of his career to Hearn, who he’s never trusted?

[Earl-Hickey]

Yeah see the thing is your argument IS logical and is common sense, HOWEVER when wilder is sending 50 mil offers off his personal Hotmail account and Eddie requests a legal contract and a meeting and gets turned down it's all "oh he sucking"

So what you are proving is you have a brain but are being willfully ignorant when using that brain doesn't benefit your "favourite"

This fight will either not happen at all or it'll be some split revenue joint broadcast deal. Haymon overvalues Wilders commercial value but it's clear he's not going to budge. With wilder being 35 this year I'm starting to think the fight never happens. There is fault on both sides but the clock is ticking for wilder and he's the one who's going to have to concede imo

[sunny31]

If any poster on NSB was Wilder's promoter they would advise him not to fight a DAZN contracted fighter on DAZN because that would be ******.

None of you, if you were wilder, would allow the other promoter to have influence over the judges, referee and venue, thus giving yourself a lesser chance of winning.

Why are so many posters acting so ****** over this? Every poster that accuses Wilder of ducking shows they lack any common sense. I get that posters hate Haymon and PBC and the Brits are desperate to shield AJ from the embarrassing loss to AJ but that shouldn't make posters just type ******ed gibberish.

He would have been a DAZN contracted fighter as well you ****ing pleb. They were trying to sign Wilder first as the priority, stop repeating this same bs in every thread. It would have still been a joint promotion. They wanted Deontay Wilder, the Joshua fight and numbers discussed were the caveat, and what they could offer which is normal for any valued commodity being offered a new deal.

The only thing you have in reply to this is conspiracy theories, and I'm not interested in them. Anyway networks and promoters dont have influence over fights, it's not the 1920s. Crowds do though just like most sports

[rickJen]

Just proves the Wilder vs Joshua was never meant to happen.
It's never been about what is good for the fighter.

It's what is good for Haymon. Fanboys are not even sick of it.
Well, they are fake fans what would you expect?

This is a fighter who made his first $2 million in the fight with Ortiz,
his first meaningful one in 40 fights.
He's been overpaid since he begged for the Joshua fight.

"ANTHONY JOSHUA vs DEONTAY WILDER HAPPENS WHEN AL HAYMON FEELS IT'S TIME" TIM SMITH

[MDPopescu]

DiBella finally admitted he was let go from PBC for trying to use Wilder to leverage a deal for DiBella promotions with DAZN. Skipper admitted they went behind Haymon's & Finkell's back to try and steal Wilder and got read the riot act by Finkell & Haymon.

... people (in boxing) always tried to "steal" other people's assets...

... Al Haymon (for instance), didn't he "steal" almost all top fighters from the GBP roster?...

[The Big Dunn]

I think that's a valid point but expecting fans to put themselves into the shoes of a promoter and manager is a III tough ask, asking blind fan bois to is just impossible.

Any hardcore AJ fan is going to latch onto this and run with it, because in all honesty it's a bit ****ty.

If the situation was reversed and matchroom fired frank smith for trying to arrange a meeting that led to a career high payday for AJ on PBC, Wilder fan boys would be saying the very same.

Your last paragraph is speculative.

I expect posters to be honest about the situation and not take a child like approach to analyzing what is going on.

The bottom line is any promoter that was employed by wilder would be failing to do their job correctly if they advise him to take the deal to fight on DAZN.

Any poster with an ounce of integrity, knowledge of the sport, and common sense knows this. Instead of just saying so we get all this BS because it’s more important for many to make haymon and pbc look bad rather than just admit on this one not taking the deal was the right move.