Anthony Joshua asked a question.........

[DaNeutral.]

I don't really care to be honest...... life is not fair, maybe you will realise that some day.

I could talk about Fury and Wilder hating Hearn and Joshua and being unreasonable with demands...... but the winner of that fight is #1 WBC, ring and lineal champion.

If Joshua, despite being the cash cow, wants to fight the winner... he needs to cough up.... and that's the end of it really.

If you are trying to say its not fair to AJ but thats life, Fury and Wilder are playing the game to maximize what they could get then i totally agree.

If you are saying 50-50 is fair id have to disagree. But you started by saying it was fair and now you are saying its not fair but thats life . Your changing your tune.

[Vinnykin]

- -Fury didn't used to be a sissy, but he bailed on the Wlad rematch and ain't been right since.

Deyonce always been a sissy.

Hey, U wanna be a sissy loving Sissyboys, it's ok, but AJ the record setting Man, not U sissies.

AJ just got flattened by an overweight midget...... he's the only sissy I've seen quit out of the three.

To you AJ fans, you can keep going on about money and numbers, but we all saw what he really is in his last two fights.

[Thraxox]

AJ just got flattened by an overweight midget...... he's the only sissy I've seen quit out of the three.

To you AJ fans, you can keep going on about money and numbers, but we all saw what he really is in his last two fights.

You mean his last 2 fights where he avenged his loss in lopsided fashion and retained to be Unified WBA WBO IBF IBO heavyweight champion against the guy that defeated him by KO by showing skill footwork and accuracy? That last 2 fights?

[QueensburyRules]

AJ just got flattened by an overweight midget...... he's the only sissy I've seen quit out of the three.

To you AJ fans, you can keep going on about money and numbers, but we all saw what he really is in his last two fights.

- -U mad U sissy lover?

AJ has 4 hard earned belts...end of

[Vinnykin]

If you are trying to say its not fair to AJ but thats life, Fury and Wilder are playing the game to maximize what they could get then i totally agree.

If you are saying 50-50 is fair id have to disagree. But you started by saying it was fair and now you are saying its not fair but thats life . Your changing your tune.

Please highlight to me where I said it was fair?

I have been pretty consistent and just highlighting the fact that Joshua lost his leverage, is now#3 in the division and probably has to overpay the Wilder/Fury winner.

I am a realist, I accept that Joshua is the cash vow and make the most money..... but I think it fair to point out that he makes more against Fury/Wilder winner than he would against any one else.

If you want to win in this discussion then I'll give it to you, Joshua is the A-side, cash cow, his numbers don't lie.

Unfortunately for him he is dealing with Wilder and Fury who won't bend to Hearn or Joshua or their A-side talk.

They will HAVE to give the winner 50% split to get the fight done..... is it fair? no.

[Vinnykin]

- -U mad U sissy lover?

AJ has 4 hard earned belts...end of

Don't get mad over sad trolls like you.

AJ is #3 in the division, and the Wilder/Fury winner will be #1 WBC, ring and lineal champion..... Joshua's belts do not match that.

[Vinnykin]

You mean his last 2 fights where he avenged his loss in lopsided fashion and retained to be Unified WBA WBO IBF IBO heavyweight champion against the guy that defeated him by KO by showing skill footwork and accuracy? That last 2 fights?

He outboxed an overweight, small HW in a boring fight.... finally learned to use basic boxing, distance, height and reach, which he should have done the first time.

Can't forget the trouncing he got though, still imprinted in peoples memory of him getting knocked down 4 times and quitting.

[DaNeutral.]

Please highlight to me where I said it was fair?

I have been pretty consistent and just highlighting the fact that Joshua lost his leverage, is now#3 in the division and probably has to overpay the Wilder/Fury winner.

I am a realist, I accept that Joshua is the cash vow and make the most money..... but I think it fair to point out that he makes more against Fury/Wilder winner than he would against any one else.

If you want to win in this discussion then I'll give it to you, Joshua is the A-side, cash cow, his numbers don't lie.

Unfortunately for him he is dealing with Wilder and Fury who won't bend to Hearn or Joshua or their A-side talk.

They will HAVE to give the winner 50% split to get the fight done..... is it fair? no.

What leverage has he lost? As far as i can see Joshua's profile has risen due to that loss and rematch. That rematch where he won all those belts back netted him his biggest pay day and broke more Box office records. While that was happening both Fury and Wilder had fights against Wallin and Ortiz and they both bombed big time. As far as i can see its still Joshua and Hearn doing all the dictating on what they are willing to offer to a Wilder or a Fury.

If it was about numbers 1,2 and 3 and Joshua is number 3 then why are Fury and Wilder not going to be making half as much as Joshua does? But im happy that you atleast can acknowledge Joshua is the A side cash cow, cuz now you are acknowledging that neither Wilder or Fury are worthy of the 50%. Which was the initial question.

[Vinnykin]

What leverage has he lost? As far as i can see Joshua's profile has risen due to that loss and rematch. That rematch where he won all those belts back netted him his biggest pay day and broke more Box office records. While that was happening both Fury and Wilder had fights against Wallin and Ortiz and they both bombed big time. As far as i can see its still Joshua and Hearn doing all the dictating on what they are willing to offer to a Wilder or a Fury.

If it was about numbers 1,2 and 3 and Joshua is number 3 then why are Fury and Wilder not going to be making half as much as Joshua does? But im happy that you atleast can acknowledge Joshua is the A side cash cow, cuz now you are acknowledging that neither Wilder or Fury are worthy of the 50%. Which was the initial question.

It's in indisputable fact that Joshua makes the most money, good for him.

Wilder and Fury both make lots of money as well...... it's why they can swat away Hearn and Joshua's offers. I just seen Hearn on IFL tv trying to dictate that Joshua vs the Wilder/Fury winner will be happening in Saudi, like they still think they can dictate where it happens.

Fury and Wilder do not operate on Hearn and Joshua's level, or your level...... it's not all about money.

When you realise that you will understand why they won't deal with Hearn or Joshua.

[Froch_uppercut]

The winner of Fury/Wilder will be undefeated, WBC, ring and lineal champion, consensus #1.

That fact totally obliterates Joshua's leverage..... neither need to beat Joshua to gain those honours after his bad KO loss to Ruiz.

If Joshua didn't lose then the ring wouldn't be up for grabs..... that loss put Joshua down to #3 in the division, unfortunately for him.

Joshua might be the money man of the division, but he isn't the top dog any more.

We could debate whether he is the top dog (he is, imo) but that is not even the question asked.
The question asked is only about money. In all other eras, these fights got made without the cash cow having to give up more than a reasonable share - yet AJ is supposed to do it now, unprecedented.
The only thing driving Wilder's price up is his ducking. It's not a negotiating tactic, he is simply ducking, which is making Joshua give him more than his fair (by historical precedent) share.
And that is what is happening.