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  • #51
    Manny is possibly the best smallest welterweight champion in history. (Henry Armstrong comes to mind; but overall, Pacquiao still has a better resume at welterweight)

    And to be THAT competitive against much bigger guys? It was the first time I've seen Floyd backpedalled that much in a fight.

    Despite the 55% KO/TKO rate, when you count knockdowns, he actually dropped/stopped almost 70% of his opponents. And majority of his opponents were much bigger than him.

    We complain that he doesn't have power at welterweight but he dropped/stopped 9 out 14 of his opponents at welterweight.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post
      ... at 145 (back in Dec 2008) ODLH was practically as dead as a dead duck...
      The weight cut definitely hurt him but let’s not forget that Pac went into that fight as a considerable underdog against a guy who had given Floyd a lot of trouble around 18 months prior.

      It’s easy to over analyse stuff with hindsight.

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      • #53
        If you based it off google trends, Manny Pacquiao was actually the most dominant fighter of the 2000s.



        Even in 2004, howeve miniscule the lead is, Manny Pacquiao was googled more than Floyd (I suspect it was the Nov 2003 stoppage of Marco Antonio Barrera; arguably at that time the #3 P4P fighter, just behind Hopkins and RJJ)

        The only time Floyd peaked over Manny in the 2000s was when he fought Dela Hoya. But that was it.

        You could actually see the trend that Floyd only started taking over AFTER Pacquiao's consecutive losses (Bradley & Marquez) circa 2012

        Floyd's two giant peaks in the 2010s was in 2015 and 2017.

        Based on this trends, I wouldn't blame either fighter if they fought McGregor. The amount of fuccin attention it gets beats even their fight in 2015.

        The best argument I can give is, Pacquiao and Mayweather carried boxing for the past two decades. They were so BIG in boxing, they have their own mini-mes(protege). Adrien broner was dubbed the next Floyd Mayweather. Nonito Donaire was dubbed as the next Manny Pacquiao.
        Last edited by RuleOfTheSpear; 01-21-2020, 01:31 PM.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr View Post
          I didn’t see Mayweather win titles from 122-154 in the past two decades.
          I like and respect Manny but that 154 title has to be the most nonsense gift of a title to be ever won. It's crazy how everyone just turns a blind eye to it but if Floyd had been gifted it in that scenario it would be used to discredit him even further.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post
            ... 2000-2019!...

            ... Why don't we try this one instead?... it's more fun, I guess!

            ... just who do you have at #1 after two decades of this century?... I think this must be easier to assess...
            Poll added...

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            • #56
              Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post
              None of them 3 even come close... Jon Jones really?😂😂

              I love might mouse but the calibre of his competition is nowhere near the level that Floyd and Pac consistently fought.

              MMA doesn’t have a higher ceiling in terms of skill either. Brock Lesnar (who I’m a huge fan of) won a HW title within 4 fights. I think that says it all. It’s much harder to reach elite level in boxing.
              What's Brock Lesnar's record like in the UFC? Its not that great is it, there is a reason he decided to not continue fighting. Besides if you excel at one thing i.e. wrestling in Brocks case why wouldn't you use that? That is why MMA is a far harder sport to deal with because if you lack that element you could easily get twatted about. There is more to consider and the risk of losing is far greater hence why legends like Mike Tyson consider MMA a better sport for viewing.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by M Bison View Post
                What's Brock Lesnar's record like in the UFC? Its not that great is it, there is a reason he decided to not continue fighting. Besides if you excel at one thing i.e. wrestling in Brocks case why wouldn't you use that? That is why MMA is a far harder sport to deal with because if you lack that element you could easily get twatted about. There is more to consider and the risk of losing is far greater hence why legends like Mike Tyson consider MMA a better sport for viewing.
                Let’s put it into context.

                Brock Lesnar won the world title in 4 fights after being a national amateur wrestling champion.

                That’s the equivalent of a fighter winning the golden gloves or US Nationals, having 3 fights then beating the winner of Wilder/Fury. It would just never happen as elite level boxing is at a much higher standard.

                I like MMA I think it’s a very exciting sport and is continuing to grow but it’s doesn’t have nowhere near the same depth as boxing. And nor should it, as it’s been in existence around 30 years as opposed to well over a century.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post
                  00’s Yes.
                  10’s No.
                  2010’s yes.

                  Bradley x2
                  Márquez
                  Mosley
                  Margarito
                  Clottey
                  Broner
                  Thurman
                  Algieri
                  Matthysse
                  Rios

                  Vs.

                  Tenshin
                  Mcgregor
                  Josie Harris
                  Guerrero
                  Maidana
                  Green Nelo
                  Past prime PAC
                  Past prime & battered Cotto

                  Yeah, Pac has the better resume OVERALL and in the 2010’s.

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                  • #59
                    I didn’t see Floyd Mayweather move up to cruiserweight and lose a disputed decision either.

                    Originally posted by The Big Dunn View Post
                    Put their resumes side by side. I could just as easily say I didn't see Floyd lose to Horn or have any draws.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by BoomBapTrap View Post
                      2010’s yes.

                      Bradley x2
                      Márquez
                      Mosley
                      Margarito
                      Clottey
                      Broner
                      Thurman
                      Algieri
                      Matthysse
                      Rios

                      Vs.

                      Tenshin
                      Mcgregor
                      Josie Harris
                      Guerrero
                      Maidana
                      Green Nelo
                      Past prime PAC
                      Past prime & battered Cotto

                      Yeah, Pac has the better resume OVERALL and in the 2010’s.
                      You fanboys are pathetic man...

                      I’d take Manny over Floyd any day but in reality Floyd easily had the better 2010’s.

                      Floyd’s dominant wins over Canelo and Pacquiao surpass anything on Pacs resume in the 2010’s. Add to that Mosley, Guerrero who were both ranked inside the top 10 P4P at the time Floyd beat them. And then Cotto and Maidana x2.

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