DAZN/Hearn reek of desperation making all these “celebrity fights”.

[Curt Henning]

Look back at the history of celbrity fights, hell they even had a tv show! These types of "fights" have happened before. Its nothing new. Its just that now, because of social media, there's a huge following.

I'm not saying its right or even good for the sport, but lets not pretend that this just came out of nowhere. In the end, it can make money. I'm sure if any of the posters talking down on it would love to make money as a promoter selling this product.

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...lebrity-boxing

yep..its not new....however putting them legit cards with legit fighters is new...having them put ahead of real fighters, actual champions, is new

[OnePunch]

terry....think about it...whats best for tank? taking a one off payday from DAZN? or maybe staying the course with al?

al has built wilder into a 30 mil a year guy....he did what he did with floyd...he has a couple of successful ppvs for spence(yes not wildly...but decent...better than crawfords)....hes got tank selling 14k in tickets in multiple cities

while hearn has youtube guys headlining cards for andrade and farmer...and they cant sell squat....

whats the best interest for tank or charlo? going to the guy who cant even land andrade a fight with canelo, jacobs or golovkin? or staying with haymon? how about tank? stay with haymon and headline or go with the guy that has farmer as an undercard guy behind youtubers?

taking high pay for one night is not necessarily whats best for a fighter long term

andrade and farmer wouldnt sell regardless of platform. Well maybe farmer might at some point, but Andrade, never.

As for one night pay, this sport is just too unpredictable. It would be hard for me to advise a fighter to leave $2 million or more on the ground, simply because of what MIGHT be coming next fight, or next year. You never know whats going to happen......

[Curt Henning]

andrade and farmer wouldnt sell regardless of platform.

As for one night pay, this sport is just too unpredictable. It would be hard for me to advise a fighter to leave $2 million or more on the ground, simply because of what MIGHT be coming next fight, or next year. You never know whats going to happen......

i agree you never know whats going to happen

but you also take calculated risks in business or in anything..in life....and haymon has a decent track record.....why, at the young age of 25, would he turn his back on haymon for one payday? what if haymon gets him on ppv next and he makes that 5 mil or even more? and wins in great fashion?

youre right...farmer and andrade wouldnt sell regardless of platform....so why move platforms to fight them when youre platform has been moving you well...youre headlining..youre selling 14k in tickets in multiple cities.....whats the incentive to move? a couple of mil up front? nah...thats shortsighted

[OnePunch]

i agree you never know whats going to happen

but you also take calculated risks in business or in anything..in life....and haymon has a decent track record.....why, at the young age of 25, would he turn his back on haymon for one payday? what if haymon gets him on ppv next and he makes that 5 mil or even more? and wins in great fashion?

youre right...farmer and andrade wouldnt sell regardless of platform....so why move platforms to fight them when youre platform has been moving you well...youre headlining..youre selling 14k in tickets in multiple cities.....whats the incentive to move? a couple of mil up front? nah...thats shortsighted

see, this is where you lose me. He wouldnt be turning his back on Haymon, because Haymon would still be his manager. And as a MANAGER, it shouldnt matter to Haymon what platform his fighter fights on. The only thing that should matter is the revenue paid to his fighter. But since there is an obvious conflict of interest in this business model, these areas get co-mingled........

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Between DAZN, ESPN, Fox and Showtime there are events that don't feature Youtubers or ex football players pretty much every week of the year. There's plenty of boxing for you to watch if you care about it so much. It doesn't affect that at all. And newsflash, your thread crying about these fights isn't going to stop these types of fights taking place.

That doesn’t stop them damaging the sport. There’s plenty of boxing to watch that don’t even make it on TV. These “celeb matchups” are taking dates and money away from deserving fighters who have dedicated their lives to this sport.

I know for a fact that Isaac Chamberlain wasn’t offered a fight for over 12 months by Eddie Hearn. He’d knock out all these YouTube p***y’s in the same night. But he can’t get an opportunity because the market is so saturated.

They’re the type of people who will lose out. Boxing is an incredibly competitive market, it doesn’t need undeserving, unaccomplished and in many cases talentless YouTubers taking up valuable space.

They’re a pathetic attempt to gather subscribers and hurt the credibility of the sport in the process. As boxing fans we shouldn’t watch this kind of sh** because by watching it we are ostensibly justifying it.

[Curt Henning]

see, this is where you lose me. He wouldnt be turning his back on Haymon, because Haymon would still be his manager. And as a MANAGER, it shouldnt matter to Haymon what platform his fighter fights on. The only thing that should matter is the revenue paid to his fighter. But since there is an obvious conflict of interest in this business model, these areas get co-mingled........

terry...weve already established we know what haymon does....but hes not going to be stopped....

i understand your disdain for the guy....try putting that aside for a minute and truly think about everything ive said....i get it...you do not like haymon...ive known that....i accept it.....i hate people i work with.....i still keep it cordial and will keep it real with them when forced to interact and work with them....

accept haymon for what he is and what he does..instead of what you think he should be.......try seperating that for a few moments in regards to this discussion

pretend, in this instance, haymon is tank/charlos promoter...because for all intents and purposes...he is...whether you like it or not

[OnePunch]

terry...weve already established we know what haymon does....but hes not going to be stopped....

i understand your disdain for the guy....try putting that aside for a minute and truly think about everything ive said....i get it...you do not like haymon...ive known that....i accept it.....i hate people i work with.....i still keep it cordial and will keep it real with them when forced to interact and work with them....

accept haymon for what he is and what he does..instead of what you think he should be.......try seperating that for a few moments in regards to this discussion

pretend, in this instance, haymon is tank/charlos promoter...because for all intents and purposes...he is...whether you like it or not

yes. silly me, I framed my answer as what Haymon should do if he were actually just a manager. lol

but it might all be a moot point anyways. If TMT still has promotional rights, then Tank couldnt accept the offer even if he wanted to. It would be up to Floyd to make that deal......

[maguirre]

but you also take calculated risks in business or in anything..in life....and haymon has a decent track record.....why, at the young age of 25, would he turn his back on haymon for one payday? what if haymon gets him on ppv next and he makes that 5 mil or even more? and wins in great fashion?

You keep repeating this nonsense. It's a one-fight deal. No one is pointing a gun on his head telling him he can't go back. And he's a grown ass man, not a child. Derevyanchenko did fights on DAZN and is still with PBC, and he made 5x more than Charlo's last five fights. Are you a fan of the sport or a self-appointed guardian of a 30 yr old adult? Why are you making yourself sound like a fool?

[The Big Dunn]

it depends if you are answering the question as a MANAGER, or as a PROMOTER, because their interests are different.

As a PROMOTER, I advise my fighter to pass. My interests with the network might not align with the best interests of my fighter. But a promoter has no fiduciary duty to the fighter, so he is free to do what is in his own self interests.

As a MANAGER, I advise my fighter that as long as the offer is clean, the extra $2 million is worth taking the risk (assuming we like the fight). As long as the bout is in the US, the opposing side has no distinct advantage.

Thank you. As a promoter you’d advise your fighter to pass.

I know you have issues with haymon so I appreciate the honest answer.

I know this board lives to talk ducking but I think knowledgeable boxing people know wilder, charlo and Tank would be insane to fight DAZN guys on DAZN.

Those fights are risky enough, as you alluded to in your first response to my post, if everything is neutral. Now you add in all the control and power issues and you’ve increased the risk significantly.

[Curt Henning]

yes. silly me, I framed my answer as what Haymon should do if he were actually just a manager. lol

but it might all be a moot point anyways. If TMT still has promotional rights, then Tank couldnt accept the offer even if he wanted to. It would be up to Floyd to make that deal......

you cant face the reality of the situation....for all intents and purposes haymon is tank/charlos "promoter"

so under that....is it their best move to stay with him or go with hearn? you cant answer the question but i think i know what your honest answer would be...

you are becoming delusional...if you cant accept haymon as the guy in control...again...i get your beef with him....set it aside for a second....it seems impossible for you to do...as if he murdered a family member of yours or something...