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  • Bronx2245
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    #41
    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
    The odd thing is I feel like Wilder built his name more than Fury in this hiatus period.

    Granted Fury is bigger in the US than he was, but that was obviously going to happen regardless after the Wilder fight. The actual fights he had have done lil for him I feel like & much of his viral moments if you can even suggest he had any since Wilder involves his ring walks/outfits.
    Fury gained all my respect in the first fight, then threw half of it away when he signed with Bob, and Bob was talking about 2 fights and then the rematch! Then Fury threw the other half of my respect in the trash with the 2 opponents Bob chose for him! He's did get a little back when he chose Sugarhill to train him. Nobody goes to Kronk's unless they're serious!

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    • Eff Pandas
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      #42
      Originally posted by Bronx2245
      Fury gained all my respect in the first fight, then threw half of it away when he signed with Bob, and Bob was talking about 2 fights and then the rematch! Then Fury threw the other half of my respect in the trash with the 2 opponents Bob chose for him! He's did get a little back when he chose Sugarhill to train him. Nobody goes to Kronk's unless they're serious!
      Agree with most all of that.

      Don't agree with the Kronk thing. As a Michigan cat with deep love for Michigan boxers & therefore an appreciation of Kronk that is above & beyond that of most I don't believe Kronk exists anymore.

      Kronk died with Manny Steward & honestly I think you can argue it died when Manny become a hired gun trainer of elite guys. The amateur program in Detroit would certainly suggest that as it died down alot when Kronk took a backseat to the big gigs Manny was getting & the amateurs were where the Kronk roots grew from.

      And Sugar Hill to me carries the mantle of keeping Kronk alive poorly to me. The Kronk name used to mean something. Now it only means something if you are talking primarily of fighters from the last era of boxing.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Eff Pandas
        Agree with most all of that.

        Don't agree with the Kronk thing. As a Michigan cat with deep love for Michigan boxers & therefore an appreciation of Kronk that is above & beyond that of most I don't believe Kronk exists anymore.

        Kronk died with Manny Steward & honestly I think you can argue it died when Manny become a hired gun trainer of elite guys. The amateur program in Detroit would certainly suggest that as it died down alot when Kronk took a backseat to the big gigs Manny was getting & the amateurs were where the Kronk roots grew from.

        And Sugar Hill to me carries the mantle of keeping Kronk alive poorly to me. The Kronk name used to mean something. Now it only means something if you are talking primarily of fighters from the last era of boxing.
        Shohjahon Ergashev looks for real! I think he gets a title shot this year! Vladimir Shishkin looks like he has the goods too! Seems like Sugar is getting more international fighters, but if he can't get the locals kids back into boxing, that's very sad! Basketball and Football are so much more appealing because they're High School Sports! Ain't no cheerleaders at the boxing gym! Boxing is a lonely grind! Then when you're on top, all the vultures come out!

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          #44
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas
          Agree with most all of that.

          Don't agree with the Kronk thing. As a Michigan cat with deep love for Michigan boxers & therefore an appreciation of Kronk that is above & beyond that of most I don't believe Kronk exists anymore.

          Kronk died with Manny Steward & honestly I think you can argue it died when Manny become a hired gun trainer of elite guys. The amateur program in Detroit would certainly suggest that as it died down alot when Kronk took a backseat to the big gigs Manny was getting & the amateurs were where the Kronk roots grew from.

          And Sugar Hill to me carries the mantle of keeping Kronk alive poorly to me. The Kronk name used to mean something. Now it only means something if you are talking primarily of fighters from the last era of boxing.
          Friday, Jan. 17

          SHO, 10:00 pm ET, Vladimir Shishkin vs Ulises Sierra, Shohjahon Ergashev vs Adrian Estrella, Ja’Rico O’Quinn vs Oscar Vasquez. Another ShoBox tripleheader. Hey, the more ShoBox we get — even if the cards aren’t super great — the better, in my opinion. Shishkin is a terrific prospect at 168, and Ergashev a very good prospect at worst at 140. O’Quinn is a junior bantamweight from Detroit looking to make a mark for a wider audience. BLH will have live coverage.

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            #45
            Originally posted by kafkod
            There are several reason's why Fury pulled out of an immediate rematch.

            1. The draw voided the rematch clause and he got a huge offer to sign with Arum.

            2. He realised he needed more time to get over the damage he did too his body during his lay-off and massive weight loss.

            3. He didn't want to risk getting robbed again on another PBC show.
            These are the facts.

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              #46
              Sergey Lipinets-Kudratillo Abdukakhorov interim title fight possible for Wilder-Fury II

              January 13, 2019:

              February 22nd may see a welterweight firefight before Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury attempt to settle their score. IBF #1 contender Kudratillo Abdukakhorov tells Uzbek sports site Olamsport that he will face #3 Sergey Lipinets for the interim title on the Las Vegas pay-per-view.

              Interim titles are generally ****** and useless, but Errol Spence Jr.l has yet to reveal a timetable for his return, so this looks to be a rare justified case. Plus, this should be a terrific scrap between two face-first bruisers. I ain’t complaining, and you all know how much I love to complain.

              Lipinets (16-1, 12 KO), who claimed the super lightweight belt in 2017 and lost it in a competitive battle with Mikey Garcia soon after, had a rough entry to the welterweight ranks, controversially scraping past veteran Erick Bone. He appears to have found his footing, however, knocking out Lamont Peterson and Jayar Inson during his 2019 campaign.

              Abdukakhorov (17-0, 9 KO) claimed mandatory status in 2019 with a decision over Keita Obara and stayed busy by taking a technical decision over Luis Collazo seven months later. Like Lipinets, he’s technically limited but makes up for it with sheer aggression.

              This should be must-watch TV.

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                #47
                Tyson Fury: Anthony Joshua has to prove himself at the top level again, his belts mean nothing

                On if he thinks it’s really possible that he’ll spar Anthony Joshua in this camp:

                “I don’t think it’s possible because he hasn’t got the nuts to turn up and do it. So it is what it is.”

                On the winner of this rematch going on to bigger and better things:

                “This is the biggest fight of our generation. This is it. Don’t get scared now, this is it. This is the biggest fight of our era. This is it, there’s no bigger. It’s only downhill from here.”

                On if an undisputed title unification wouldn’t be bigger:

                “The undisputed means ****. It doesn’t mean anything. Belts don’t mean nothing. It’s all about who’s the best of your day. It’s not about what belt you got holding your trousers up, it’s not about anything, it’s about who you fight and who you’ve beaten. And that’s it.

                (Anthony Joshua is definitely not in that category of best heavyweight) he already got knocked out. He’s out of it, way out of it. He needs to prove himself again. And I don’t mean prove yourself by hitting and running from a little fat guy all over the ring, I mean prove yourself on high level again. It was a three horse race, he got eliminated, it’s still a two horse race now. Two horses, and there’s only gonna be one standing after this fight...

                “I won’t pay any sanctioning fees for Joshua’s belts because they don’t mean anything to me. ‘Cause I’ve already got ‘em. I’ve already got all the belts. The only belt I haven’t got is the WBC and I was robbed of that opportunity, which I should have that. So I’m gonna get that one more belt, and that’s me with belts — finished.”

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                • Bronx23
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
                  Tyson Fury made the right choice in not having a immediate rematch, but since then? His opponents have not really been adequate preparation as they have been levels below elite level.
                  The two opponents he had before Wilder combined were worse than each of his two opponents after Wilder lol. Fury doesn't need to fight a similar opponent to get ready for another. Fury fights to the level of his competition when they suck & when he's fighting a good fighter he puts on his best performances

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                    #49
                    Three reasons why fury didn't take the immediate rematch:

                    1. That right hand from D.Wilder
                    2. The left hook from D.Wilder
                    3. bob arum

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                    • sicko
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                      #50
                      Yeah Fury did put off the rematch I also don't like that he is talking more about WWE and fighting Brock Lesnar more than he is talking about Wilder and possibly fighting AJ if he does beat Wilder

                      Seems more interested in a WWE Career which is kinda weird

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