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  • BillyBoxing
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    #41
    Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
    Wilder produces most of his power from long range, or with wide hooks 'Fury if he gets shoulder to shoulder with him? He could attempt to do damage from this range etc' Wilder's power to a certain extent is nullified when you smother/suffocate his work.

    Peter Fury stated that during the first fight 'This is what he expected Tyson Fury to do more and more as the fight progressed' but of course he did not.
    To complete what you said I would say that Wilder can't fight well on the back foot. That's why he suffered vs Duhaupas and Washington, and when Fury pushed him a bit he had no answers.

    I believe Fury lacked gas for such a high intensity fight, you don't get to the highest point of conditioning required for elite boxing within 15 months after abusing yourself to obesity and alchoolism.

    But people are scared to push Wilder because this man walk in the ring with an axe in his hands.

    There are many ways to beat Wilder,
    -to stop him with a perfect blow, this is HW boxing, kinda like Lewis losses to Rahman or McCall.
    - to bully the bully as you stated
    - to box circles around him just like Fury did minus the clowning and the KDs

    What Fury should have done is to hire NSAC and the Heredia crew.
    That's mainly what he needed IMO.

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    • Curtis Harper
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      #42
      Fury doesn't have what it takes to end someone at this level. Quickly or otherwise

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      • PRINCEKOOL
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        #43
        Originally posted by BillyBoxing
        To complete what you said I would say that Wilder can't fight well on the back foot. That's why he suffered vs Duhaupas and Washington, and when Fury pushed him a bit he had no answers.

        I believe Fury lacked gas for such a high intensity fight, you don't get to the highest point of conditioning required for elite boxing within 15 months after abusing yourself to obesity and alchoolism.

        But people are scared to push Wilder because this man walk in the ring with an axe in his hands.

        There are many ways to beat Wilder,
        -to stop him with a perfect blow, this is HW boxing, kinda like Lewis losses to Rahman or McCall.
        - to bully the bully as you stated
        - to box circles around him just like Fury did minus the clowning and the KDs

        What Fury should have done is to hire NSAC and the Heredia crew.
        That's mainly what he needed IMO.
        Wilder's movement is quite under-par in my opinion all together 'Somebody like Holyfield would get in close and deliberately keep walking him backwards in clinches, rough house him etc'

        I am not a big Tyson Fury supporter, but against lesser opponents such as USS Cunningham 'He has used these kind of tactics' Deontay Wilder hits hard, but in terms of static physical strength? I don't think he is immensely strong.

        Note: Good point opponents are afraid of the consequences inside of the ring with Wilder, and nobody thus-far is durable enough to apply the sort of tactics I have just mentioned. It has got to be instant belief when you are applying those tactics, the moment you stand stationary on the outsider with doubt 'Fighters will then get into a routine'. That is one thing I admired about fighters like Mike Tyson 'Watch his fight vs Lennox Lewis' and watch his feet etc There is not a point in the fight where he voluntary decides to move backwards 'That is awesome psychological strength, Cus-damato's style must of been so deeply embedded in his psyche that it was even still apart of his instinct'
        Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 01-17-2020, 07:36 AM.

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        • Vinnykin
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          #44
          The worst thing Fury can do is stay outside and give Wilder time and distance to get leverage on his right hand, he managed to land it twice last time.

          Fury needs to pressure Wilder, slug it out, lean on him, take the fight inside.

          Take away Wilder's leverage for his right hand and you take away his power..... Fury is also FAR, FAR better inside and with the estra weight can beat up on Wilder.

          Think a few people treat Wilder like some powerhouse "If Fury pressures him or slugs it out he gets KO'd"....... how? how does Wilder beat and KO Fury if he pressures him and takes away the distance he need for his one punch?

          Think a lot of people are unaware of Fury's skill inside and slugging it out..... and have given Wilder this ability also with zero evidence.

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          • hugh grant
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            #45
            I can understand fury not wanting to leave it to judges this time. But as long as it happens before 12th round should be ok. Looking for ko in first 2 rounds might be dangerous and puts pressure on fury.
            Should predict 8th round, then if he should ko wilder before that's a bonus

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            • BillyBoxing
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              #46
              Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
              Wilder's movement is quite under-par in my opinion all together 'Somebody like Holyfield would get in close and deliberately keep walking him backwards in clinches, rough house him etc'

              I am not a big Tyson Fury supporter, but against lesser opponents such as USS Cunningham 'He has used these kind of tactics' Deontay Wilder hits hard, but in terms of static physical strength? I don't think he is immensely strong.

              Note: Good point opponents are afraid of the consequences inside of the ring with Wilder, and nobody thus-far is durable enough to apply the sort of tactics I have just mentioned. It has got to be instant belief when you are applying those tactics, the moment you stand stationary on the outsider with doubt 'Fighters will then get into a routine'. That is one thing I admired about fighters like Mike Tyson 'Watch his fight vs Lennox Lewis' and watch his feet etc There is not a point in the fight where he voluntary decides to move backwards 'That is awesome psychological strength, Cus-damato's style must of been so deeply embedded in his psyche that it was even still apart of his instinct'
              You don't need to be the GOAT puncher to hurt Fury.

              He has been hit and dropped by the same punch over and over, McDermott and Cunningham dropped him with a right cross over the top.

              He is hittable by this punch because he's a big boy (with good reflexes but still heavy on his feet) who lower his left hand way too much if you ask me, NOT EVERYBODY can roll like Floyd.

              He got tired and over confident and that's why Wilder dropped him IMO, more this than Wilder adjusting. Wilder tried those same punches over and over.

              I think Tyson thought he was winning 8 rounds to 0 in his head and was in route to 12-0 Klitschko fight type of victory, he started to lose lucidity and got caught.

              I see a lot of things that Tyson could have done better, he wasted a lot in that fight, because he's somehow a nutjob but also because he wasn't 100% fit, it was not possible after his weird lay off, even with all the PEDS in the world, to be ready in 12 months for such a challenge, Wilder is a beast.
              Tyson was better inside, outside.

              Regarding Wilder I don't know, he could have done a better job with his jab.
              It seems that since the Fury fight he believes even more in his power because he almost won despite being outboxed all night long.
              Wilder was horrendous in the Ortiz rematch, he took too many useless punches.

              I expect Tyson to make Wilder look bad again (unless he fights him scared wich I could understand after how he got dropped twice).

              It will be Tyson leading on the cards again, he just have to avoid a KO.

              Tyson is deluded when he says, "I can"t win a decision" he would have won a decision if he wasn't dropped in the 12th, I believe it.

              Wilder needs to score a KO, wich is not an easy task, he already failed once to stop Fury.

              Fury needs to avoid the canevas.
              Last edited by BillyBoxing; 01-17-2020, 09:07 AM.

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              • Monzon99
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                #47
                They're even giving us the script this time. Fury to dive early and then the third fight will be a draw to restore his value and leverage vs Joshua.

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                • MEXICAN STYLE
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                  #48
                  Mentally preparing himself to get KOed hahaha

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                  • Kezzer
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Tosaken
                    The only reason Wilder was so light is that he was still sick. Him at about 230 is ideal.
                    Still sick?? Ffs what a load of rubbish

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                    • Tatabanya
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by REDEEMER
                      People have very short term memories , Fury had Wilder stunned in round 4 or 5 ,going for a quick knockout doesn’t hurt him it’s an advantage for a guy vs one who needs to wait for an opening which is mostly after mid rounds . Fury will stop Wilder but it will be around the mid rounds .
                      This is how I see it, too.

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